nchelluri 10 years ago

Somehow this reminded me of the old `sound()` help file from Borland C++ 3.1. I think it was in dos.h.

http://everything2.com/title/7+hertz+-+the+resonant+frequenc...

  /* Emits a 7-Hz tone for 10 seconds.

        True story: 7 Hz is the resonant
        frequency of a chicken's skull cavity.
        This was determined empirically in
        Australia, where a new factory
        generating 7-Hz tones was located too
        close to a chicken ranch: When the
        factory started up, all the chickens
        died.

        Your PC may not be able to emit a 7-Hz tone. */
  • nness 10 years ago

    Great little anecdote, although I guess you'd call it a hoax? The volume would have to be so loud that any human in the area would be in a great deal of discomfort before it killed nearby chickens.

    • sandworm101 10 years ago

      Birds are weird, basically totally nuts when kept in groups indoors. A little stress could see them all stop eating or peck everyone to death. A less-than-lethal volume could do real damage. A strobelight cannot kill a horse. But set one up in a barn full of horses and they will probably kill themselves. Horses are also nuts.

      • shwouchk 10 years ago

        Have you tried setting up a strobe in a locked room full of people?

        • dnzm 10 years ago

          That's called a rave. Usually the people involved pay for the privilege of being locked up, as well.

          • chrischen 10 years ago

            Some people die in that too. People are nuts.

          • stavros 10 years ago

            Usually the people are also free to leave whenever, which is not so much the case for the animals.

            • ehvatum 10 years ago

              Why wouldn't the people be free to leave the animals?

        • cnvogel 10 years ago

          Yes, this experiment has been performed many times. It's called a “rave” and people will die from the exhaustion of dancing without eating or drinking anything for days...

          • drdeca 10 years ago

            Wait, really?

  • VLM 10 years ago

    Must be a big chicken, per

    http://www.wavelengthcalculator.com/

    the wavelength in water (brain matter) of a 7 Hz tone is somewhat over 200 meters. So probably not the skull cavity unless its some kind of chicken themed Godzilla movie.

    The problem is likely not the skull but the neck and tendons and stuff oscillating like a bridge.

kps 10 years ago

Since I was curious, I took the recording from Wikipedia, which is sped up 10×, and slowed it down 10×: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0dMCeANPrbX (No affiliation, just the first no-reg audio host I found.)

Edit: you may need to turn up your volume. Much of it (including the first ten seconds) is pretty quiet.

Edit²: I confirm hearing nothing at all using a laptop's built-in speakers; you'll need headphones or external audio.

  • s0rce 10 years ago

    Interesting, except on my macbook I can't hear anything. I wonder what the low frequency cutoff is.

    • iamcreasy 10 years ago

      Increase the volume. It's very low pitch track.

      • to3m 10 years ago

        With the volume at maximum on my 2015 MBP I get sound... of some description, at least. It just doesn't sound much like it does through headphones. It sounds like speakers trying to reproduce something that's beyond them ;)

        • Symbiote 10 years ago

          My computer is connected to an average HiFi and speakers (£300 / $500 worth) with an on-board soundcard. I didn't need to adjust the volume to hear the whale.

          It reminds me most of waiting on the platform of a very deep metro line, and hearing the rumbling of a different metro train, some way above.

          That, or the (apparently reasonably authentic) sounds played in a Sea Life centre.

          • to3m 10 years ago

            The MBP's sound hardware might not have a problem with it, but I was using the MBP's built in speakers ;)

            They're generally pretty good on the newer models, I think, as laptop speakers go. My 3-word review might be "better than functional". So having heard them make a tolerable go of music and games I was interested to see how they'd manage 52Hz. The answer: badly.

    • colechristensen 10 years ago

      That'll just be the speakers.

      Sennheiser HD 600 plugged into my MBP comes in loud and clear (or loud and eerily wobbling bass noise)

    • Matthias247 10 years ago

      Even on 8cm speakers you typically have a -3dB point between 100 and 150Hz. For the tiny speakers in notebooks and smartphones it should be even higher. That means they maybe could reproduce 100Hz, but at an extremely low volume. And 50Hz is well out of scope.

  • GigabyteCoin 10 years ago

    I don't hear a single sound.

    • userbinator 10 years ago

      It's probably your speakers. A human can certainly hear 52Hz, mains hum is 50Hz (or 60Hz if you're in North America) and clearly audible.

      • wrigby 10 years ago

        Quite true. It's also not uncommon to end up with harmonics of mains hum (at 120 Hz), which is more noticeable to human hearing than 60 Hz.

  • ktRolster 10 years ago

    Wow, that is so cool! I've been listening to whale recordings wrong this whole time.

    Is this chart right that the whale calls are up to 180db? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_vocalization#Sound_level... That's enough to blow human ears up.

    • knughit 10 years ago

      Remember that it is rare to be close enough to a whale to experience the full pressure

    • janekm 10 years ago

      The acoustic impedance of water is 3500 that of air: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustic_impedance so the intensity of that sound will be 3500 times less than it would be in air. Also, the impedance match between the water and the air in your ear canal is terrible (think of how little sound you hear under water if someone above water tries to talk to you, that pressure wave has to pass through that barrier twice, the sound from the whale once).

      • ktRolster 10 years ago

        Yeah, but what if it made a noise while it was out of the water, checking out a boat or something?

        Also, wow, whales are amazing

  • rdtsc 10 years ago

    Yeah that is strange and kind of disturbing too. Thanks for sharing!

    Definetily need headphones for this one.

  • Matthias247 10 years ago

    Sounds (and even feels!) pretty impressive on my active speakers.

  • tdsamardzhiev 10 years ago

    The door in my room started trembling. Cool!

brokencog 10 years ago

But, why presume it's lonely? Maybe it can also "chat" on the normal "whale channel" and it's conducting a SETI experiment on it's own via 52hz?

so much ethno- ego- centric decision making around animals ...

  • diskcat 10 years ago

    There was that radio emission that was meant to contact aliens or some such.

    Perhaps the aliens thought that some stupid deaf hunam sent it.

  • raverbashing 10 years ago

    Or maybe it has had a wound or a disease that caused a frequency shift in the sound? (just a quick speculation)

    • nacs 10 years ago

      The article mentions that the whale may be deaf.

  • ackalker 10 years ago

    Maybe it time-traveled back from the future to save us from deadly attack by an alien probe, to give us a chance to get things right this time.

gaur 10 years ago

> They speculate that it could be malformed, or a hybrid of a blue whale and another species.

Are there whale species that have calls significantly higher than 50 Hz? Any ungulate experts here who can comment?

  • matteisn 10 years ago

    Orcas in the form of clicking sounds and humpback whales, who can sing in ranges as high as 8000Hz.

    However, these calls are produced via an entirely different vocalization method.

    • gaur 10 years ago

      Yeah, certainly orcas can make some pretty high-pitched squeaks. But I'm guessing they can't interbreed with blue whales.

      I guess I find the blue whale + fin whale hypothesis a little odd (why would the hybrid have a call that's higher in frequency than either of the original species'?), but I don't have the expertise to comment on it.

      • sandworm101 10 years ago

        Hybrids don't always get averaged traits. Take my dog, a mutt. She is bigger than both her pure-bred parents, taller by more than an inch. In big cats a tigon, a lion-tiger cross, is bigger than either. The principal even holds true for humans. Obama, of mixed race, is unsurprisingly taller than both parents. This is sometimes called hybrid vigour. My point is that a cross between two different animals doesn't always result in something in the middle. This crossed whale may be very different than either parent.

        • thaumasiotes 10 years ago

          > In big cats a tigon, a lion-tiger cross, is bigger than either

          I don't think this is right. The hybrid with a lion father and tiger mother is the huge one, but the father comes first in the name of the hybrid; tigons (male tiger / female lion) aren't so large.

          The reason for the difference is that male lions brand their offspring's DNA with the urge to grow large, while female lions counter with the opposite urge. For a lion/lion pairing, this balances out, but tigers don't have the same war between the sexes going on, and the maternal tiger genetic contribution is defenseless against the paternal lion one.

          Humans, by the way, do something similar: the same genetic defect causes "Prader-Willi syndrome" if it came from the father, and "Angelman syndrome" if it came from the mother.

    • sandworm101 10 years ago

      Orca are not whales. Technically, they are really big dolphins. They are in the delphinidae family (dolphins) which explains why they look/act/sound/move so differently than other "whales".

      • robotmlg 10 years ago

        They're still order cetacea though, which is then split into baleen whales and toothed whales, which is where dolphins and orcas are found.

        • sandworm101 10 years ago

          But not all cetaceans are whales. If orca are whales, then so too are the other dolphins. "Whale" is really a lay term covering the really big aquatic mammals. A whale shark certainly isn't a whale, but the term is still used there in the common name because of the association with size. Flipper wasn't a whale.

          • tilt_error 10 years ago

            That makes sense, thinking of the whale sharks.

      • rosser 10 years ago

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale

        See, specifically, the sub-heading on Odontocetes — literally, "toothed whale".

        You appear to be operating with the category that "whale" is wholly and exhaustively synonymous with "baleen whale". You're wrong.

        • sandworm101 10 years ago

          From the same wikipedia article...

          "They [whales] are an informal grouping within the infraorder Cetacea, usually excluding dolphins and porpoises. "

  • selfsimilar 10 years ago

    I think you meant cetacean expert. Which I'm not, but I know a whale's not an ungulate :)

    • gaur 10 years ago
      • selfsimilar 10 years ago

        What the what?! I stand corrected, though how I'm standing with my mind splattered across the ceiling, I'm not sure...

      • knughit 10 years ago

        Are you proposing that this creature might be a hippo, or were you showing off your knowledge of recent re-orderization? Do non-cetacean ungulates call like cetaceans?

      • robbrown451 10 years ago

        I don't think whales are considered ungulates, it is just that ungulate is no longer considered a monophyletic category (but cetartiodactyla is).

      • baddox 10 years ago

        Although, from Wikipedia:

        > As a descriptive term, "ungulate" normally excludes cetaceans (whales, dolphins, porpoises), as they do not possess most of the typical morphological characteristics of ungulates, but recent discoveries indicate that they are descended from early artiodactyls.

  • hamburglar 10 years ago

    When you cross breed whales of two different frequencies, do you get a "beat" interference pattern in the offspring? :)

    • TheOtherHobbes 10 years ago

      Sadly not.

      Which is a shame. Because if you did, you could engineer Dubstep Whale[tm] after a suitably sophisticated breeding program of additive genetic synthesis.

  • eggy 10 years ago

    And yet it survived, or at least the sound reoccurs every year for how long? I would think a malformation would doom its ability to communicate and feed correctly, no?

tilt_error 10 years ago

I see the map of this whale's migration pattern goes north and south along the north american coast. Is it following an alternating current?

  • jldugger 10 years ago

    If you mean the alternating directions of the Kremlin, maybe.

nommm-nommm 10 years ago

I read the citation given in the wiki but I can't figure out why exactly deaf people may think this whale may be deaf. It is not clear to me.

  • knughit 10 years ago

    Because it vocalizes at an nonstandard pitch for its species, like deaf humans do.

    And because it appears to be unable/unwilling to live in a pod with other whales, perhaps due to its inability to communicate with them vocally.

whalesalad 10 years ago

The worlds loneliest whale. How fascinating and sad!

userbinator 10 years ago

I wonder if it's really a whale, or some sort of man-made source (possibly a classified military technology) that coincidentally happens to be particularly whale-like?

  • ars 10 years ago

    I thought of that, but if I were making some secret military sound I would try very hard to blend in exactly like other whales, not do something unique and identifiable.

    • marcosdumay 10 years ago

      But this is 52Hz, just around the 50Hz that a big part of the world uses as electrical standard. Some hidden generator somewhere could cause it.

      I guess the hardest part to explain (in an artificial source) is how it migrates all the time, not the pitch.

      • knughit 10 years ago

        Unlikely that broken electricity generator would be as loud as a whale, and survive 30years without repair.

        Also, would someone choose to generate AC in a marine application?

  • rdc12 10 years ago

    Thw wikipedia article mentions that the US Navy partially declassified thoe orginal recordings after the Cold War, and made the array availble to researchers.

    If there was a military tech involved (with the source), I highly doubt they would have declassified that or as a conspiracy theory, it is misdirection...

  • audiosampling 10 years ago

    Makes sense. Trying to mask an acoustic signature around 50-60Hz, by using a sound that ressembles to a whale.

emmelaich 10 years ago

My half-arsed guesses (apart from the ones given) 1. birth defect affecting the 'vocal' cords 2. autistic or similar 3. dwarfism

adt2bt 10 years ago

If we can track it, is it possible to locate the whale and observe it?

  • digi_owl 10 years ago

    I suspect the researchers would love to, but that would mean expenses regarding ship, crew, and all that comes along.

    Try getting that past management when all you got is a weird plot on a spectrogram.

    • asdfologist 10 years ago

      That's sad though, because one day we'll lose that chance forever.

    • spoiler 10 years ago

      This is a project I wouldn't mind backing on kick starter! Have there been any successfully crowd-funded documentaries with a big budget at all? A quick google search didn't reveal much, all the ones I saw were relatively low budget.

intrasight 10 years ago

Just notice that when I clicked to comment there were "52 comments" - interesting coincidence.

Is locating the source that difficult? Don't we have tons of listening/triangulating stuff out in the oceans now?

  • chillydawg 10 years ago

    Whales roam the oceans. I expect in some deep devops cave in a military office somewhere, they have a monitor showing the real time location of this whale using their sub hunting tech for a laugh. I really hope that's true.

brador 10 years ago

How hard is it to simply triangulate the signal and find the exact location of origin?

  • Lanzaa 10 years ago

    I think the issue is how quickly they identify the whales location. It seems like they have been able to track the movement fairly well. I imagine it takes a while to get a ship out to the identified location of the sound's origin, by which time the source has probably moved on.

nakodari 10 years ago

This reminds me of Moby Dick

aroman 10 years ago

Reminds me of the plot of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home!

remarkEon 10 years ago

Somehow this seems like the plot to the next Disney/Pixar film