I always thought Solaris was a beautiful and memorable name for an operating system.
Any connection with the Stanislaw Lem novel (or Tarkovsky movie) was always a bit unclear to me... But I guess a book about futile interactions with a planet-sized alien brain that doesn't care about you other than mysteriously experimenting with your memories is a reasonable metaphor for the Unix user experience.
I figure the connection is probably more about being from a company named "Sun," since it's a Latin word and the source of the English adjective "solar" for 'pertaining to the sun.'
And illumos is similarly named (Latin for illuminate).
And Eclipse was similarly named, just to annoy Sun.
I thought so too, but eclipses in real life are always transient phenomena.
Do no look into Eclipse with remaining eye!
Soderberghs version is much more reflective of what happened with the emergence of OpenSolaris and Illumos (not to give away any spoilers but apparently forking is a real thing and it lives on). Tarkovskys movie was such a philosophical drivel that I feel asleep. How is the book - is it worth reading? As I understood it neither of films follow the novel very closely.
The book is good.
I didn't read the book, but being boring is Tarkovsky's touch, so it sounds pretty safe to say it comes from him.
Also people, please don't downvote parent. It's very fair to say this movie is boring and confusing, and I think it was the very point. Tarkovsky has this style of filming around supernatural / sf things but never actually showing them. Instead, he prefers to explore the anxiety they cause on humans, anxiety which he often represents through long waiting with deceptive conclusions, so I would say that feeling annoyed is quite what is expected from people watching them. It's art, not entertainment.
Tarkovsky's works are generally demanding works of art. They are definitely slow paced and almost boring, but I've always found myself in a much more thoughtful frame of mind after watching his films.
As for Solaris, it is worth reading the book as well as watching both versions of the film -- they ask and explore different questions. The book is about the nature of intelligence and life whereas the films are more about the human part of the equation -- what does it mean to be a human as opposed to be a "replicant"? Tarkovsky is slower paced, but IMHO encourages deep reflection. Soderbergh's version is definitely more watchable and is actually quite thoughtful by Hollywood standards.
We all like different things, which is good. Personally, I have watched the US version of Solaris about 6 or 7 times, and the Russian version twice, and read the book. A planet size consciousness, messing with people - great premise for a story.
I haven't seen any of the films, but I loved the book.
Stanislaw Lem deserves a much wider readership. Well, I say that but actually he has a wide readership, just not so much in English-language markets.
Besides Solaris, his meditations on life and society in The Cyberiad remain some of my favourite science fiction of all time.
And "His Master's Voice" is one of my favorite books. I totally agree, Lem deserves a place right along Gibson.
I'm reading The Star Diaries, a collection of Lem's short stories from the 1950s. Their absurdity reminds me of the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I just discovered that there was a 2007 German TV series based on the stories, too:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0978537/
If Lem deserves a place among Gibson, I guess I gotta pick some up
I recommend starting with Solaris.
The Futurological Congress is also a lot of fun; it's one of his comedies, a satiric look at futurism.
His Master's Voice is advanced level Lem. It's less a novel than a fictional autobiography of a scientist, and while the subject matter is fascinating, it's a bit dry.
The Cyberiad is a classic, but very different and not really sci-fi. It's a collection of absurd, surreal fairytales about a pair of robots. It contains math puzzles and rhymes and lots of weird stuff.
Fiasco, Memoirs Found in a Bathtub, Tales of Pirx the Pilot and Star Diaries are supposed to be good.
I found Eden (one of his early works) to be a little juvenile and poorly written. It, too, is about first contact gone wrong.
Fiasco is also first contact gone wrong and is quite something...like almost an anti-star-trek episode.
It may be an easier entrypoint than Solaris, at cost of arguably not being as "deep" in its reflections.
I really loved the movie The Congress, directed by Ari Folman, an adaptation of The Futurological Congress.
Like Blade Runner's relationship to Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, it was a lot different than the book, but shares some deep ideas, and stands on its own as a great movie.
The scene in the USC ICT's motion capture studio was riveting, with Robin Wright playing a partly fictionalized version of herself, and Harvey Keitel playing her agent, baring their souls to the giant emotion capturing machine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Congress_(2013_film)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rNSTizOsws
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPAl5GwvdY8
Hmm. I watched about 15 minutes of it, and thought it was very amateurish, and the reviews aren't great. From the clips I've seen, the animation is also pretty terrible.
As far as I've read, plot has absolutely zero to do with The Futurological Congress. The only similarity is that there's something in the movie called the "Futurological Congress" and that there's some kind of attack on it.
If you think it's worth seeing, maybe I'll give it another go.
Something happens later that I'm not going to say anything about. ;) Give it another try!
Thanks for such an interesting discussion! The Cyberiad is one of my favorites, a great way to get started, and very re-readable.
Michael Kandel was Lem's translator for many books including The Cyberiad -- including some brilliant poetry and plays on words!
He's such an excellent translator, it would be interesting to read other stuff he's translated! Any recommendations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kandel
Kandel is perhaps best known for his translations of the works of Stanisław Lem from Polish to English. Recently he has also been translating works of other Polish science fiction authors, such as Jacek Dukaj, Marek Huberath and Andrzej Sapkowski. The quality of his translations is considered to be excellent; his skill is especially notable in the case of Lem's writing, which makes heavy use of wordplay and other difficult-to-translate devices.
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lem/HorribleP...
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lem/Wonderful...
A love poem, lyrical, pastoral, and expressed in the language of pure mathematics. Tensor algebra mainly, with a little topology and higher calculus, if need be. But with feeling, you understand, and in the cybernetic spirit.
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lem/Femfatala...
http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/lem/Lem.html
The book is better than both films, though I liked the films, too. And, yes, the films diverged from the book in significant ways. Lem is a fantastic writer, and Solaris is one of his best. I definitely recommend it, if you like cerebral sci-fi.
Soderbergh's version has one of the most gorgeous film soundtracks; in my top ten. Cliff Martinez scored it. Good film, phenomenal soundtrack.
The book is superb.
But to appreciate the book have to understand that Lem, in his serious mode (he also wrote comedies and light-hearted adventures, which are quite different), is not very concerned about plot, nor about most things American sci-fi has always been about: There are no heroics, no politics, no space wars, no McGuffins, and there's only minimal world-building.
Lem is an engaging writer, but also a somewhat dry one, and Solaris is a sort of essay on science, camouflaged as a novel: Like his other masterpiece, His Master's Voice, it is a critique of science. Whereas HMV attacks the scientific field pretty broadly, Solaris is more of an investigation into the limitations of the human mind: A scientist visits a far-away research station and comes to realize that all previous research (by decades of so-called "Solarisists") isn't even wrong, it's irrelevant. About a third of the book is spent on a wry summary of all the scholarly research that Solarisists have been performing and collecting in journals. Even after many decades, Solaris has funded many scientists, and yielded endless observations, but also zero insight. (At the time the book is set, most scientists have simply given up, and the station is largely abandoned.) Solaris is an inscrutable alien organism that the human mind can simply not understand. Ironically, even the main character comes to think, towards the end, that he has understood Solaris, when it's obvious to the reader that his conclusions are just more of the same, a reflection of our human-ness.
Of course, both movie adaptations got this wrong, or chose to ignore that aspect of the book. They think it's about people reincarnated from memories, and that it's about love. In the book, the "ghosts" are actually dealt with rather simply and matter-of-factly; the scientists find themselves being tormented by them, and quickly move to destroy them. Lem, however, doesn't bother with the emotional melodrama you find in both movies.
I don't remember what Soderbergh's version aimed for exactly (other than being a sort of Last Tango in Paris in space), but Tarkovsky's is very much inward-looking and concerned with the nature of artifice and truth (the "ghosts" are not real, and neither is Solaris, in a way). Tarkovsky didn't really want to create a sci-fi movie, and so you get something which is not entirely convincing.
Yes, yes yes. Thank you for this defense of one of my favorite meditation-as-novels.
In a similar tone, I actually love the Tartovsky film. A very weird piece of work, and a hell of a thing to experience a few weeks before a summer spent in Russia...
I watched both movies. Tarkovsky's version is my favorite but I grew up with Soviet cinema so maybe that's why (though one can argue his films are so outside the norm with Soviet cinema that it wouldn't matter).
One of the keys to Tarkovsky's movies is that he is concerned with human relationships primarily. Romantic relationships, parents and children, etc. Even when he directed "sci-Fi" movies, they were never about rockets, aliens, shooting, explosions.
This quote from the movie, illustrates that well I think:
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We don't want to conquer space at all. We want to expand Earth endlessly. We don't want other worlds; we want a mirror. We seek contact and will never achieve it. We are in the foolish position of a man striving for a goal he fears and doesn't want. Man needs man!
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I remember watching this movie and being disappointed because I expected more sci-fi stuff. Same thing with Stalker, his other sci-fi film. Only after seeing The Mirror (my favorite of his films) started liking his other movies.
I also found the films extremely boring and thought the book might be better. It turns out, the films were very good at capturing the book's boringness.
I read the book several times. I think it is a good read. I did not fell asleep on the Tarkovsky movie I just hit quit after looking at the road scene at the start for 20 minutes. You can try the George Clooney variant it is a bit better. The interesting part is that both movies have their own interpretation of the book, so it is like having 3 different stories.
Beautiful name indeed. Happy memories of trying out Solaris 8 x86 on a Celeron with 64MB.