saurik 2 years ago

The thing I still feel is missing from the iPhone keyboard design is some concept of clear intention from the user: it doesn't just correct near misses, it will also do ridiculous autocorrections where a few characters will somehow autocorrect--and to be clear for people who don't use it (or people who do but don't spend any time configuring it): I do NOT mean the autocomplete nonsense that I always have turned off--into giant words. I clearly didn't try to type a ten character word if I only hit the screen four times, right? It also should calm down if I start actively typing slower and with clear intention: if I'm suddenly typing at one character per second when I'm usually typing at five characters per second, it should probably just trust that I'm looking at the keyboard and tighten the bounds on its attempt to fix my mistakes.

  • gnicholas 2 years ago

    It’s become more powerful, which means it can correct things in ways it previously couldn’t, but it can also screw things up in new ways.

    For example, autocorrect used to be limited to words with the same number of chars, and with letters in the same order. Now it can autocorrect to a word with more or fewer chars, and with some transpositions. It’s good this is now possible, since people do make mistakes like this. But it opens the door for new types of errors.

    One issue I find to be annoying is that it gives too much weight to the first char in a word when making its guess. I’ve learned that if it gets the first char wrong I should probably go back and correct it, unless it’s a very long word that will become apparent over time.

  • aikinai 2 years ago

    Agree; this was great at the time, but I feel like they’ve barely updated it since then. At least they finally added a somewhat useable swipe mode, but it’s still far behind what Google has done.

    • solarkraft 2 years ago

      I think their swipe input is only a little behind. FWIW I also think that Google's has become worse for me. Maybe because I don't let it use the internet.

Tijdreiziger 2 years ago

The “complicated” blob input method looks remarkably similar to the Japanese 12-key input method https://global.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/original/...

(This works because the Japanese ‘hiragana’ syllabary is naturally ordered in 10 groups of 5 characters each.)

  • grishka 2 years ago

    I recently built a prototype of this style of keyboard for Android for Latin and Cyrillic alphabets because of how frustrated I am with any form of input that involves dictionaries, guesswork, and tiny buttons. I then used it for half a day. It works, I can type words on it, but at least for as much time as I used it, it was slower for me than Gboard because I had to make a mental effort to remember which gesture from which button types which letter. Typos were almost nonexistent though. Now, I arranged the letters very naively, I simply took the T9 layout and adapted it for these directional swipes. It might work better if I arrange letters by frequency. For example, such that typing the most common letters would always only require a tap, the less common ones would be a swipe down (which is easier for me than other directions), and so on.

    Here's a thread about it at the time: https://twitter.com/grishka11/status/1517431598857302019

    • Tijdreiziger 2 years ago

      Wow, this is fascinating. Is the code open source? I'd love to try it out.

      • grishka 2 years ago

        It's not a real product, at least not yet. It's not up to my standards, so I haven't published it anywhere. It will be open source if I decide to polish and publish it.

  • aikinai 2 years ago

    Wow, I came to say the same thing; surprised to see this as the first comment!

    As far as I know, this keyboard was pioneered by Apple; I wonder if they were inspired by or reused the “blob” experiment? It’s not necessarily that novel though; seems to a a natural evolution of the Japanese syllabary and the old multi-tap physical “10-key” keyboards.

    • Tijdreiziger 2 years ago

      The physical ones (on flip phones) were also 12-key (0-9, *, and #), so I suppose it was just swiping on the keys that was novel. It definitely does leave one to wonder whether that innovation was inspired by this prototype.

      Since we’re on the topic of input methods: I’ve always found the 8pen [1] fascinating. I sadly never had the opportunity to try it for myself, since I was using an iPhone rather than Android at the time (and it’s since been delisted).

      [1] https://youtu.be/q3OuCR0EpGo

      • aikinai 2 years ago

        I can't believe you also mentioned 8pen! I almost made a comment about that as well, but had to run earlier. I was also fascinated by the idea when that launched and really wanted it to be successful. I also had an iPhone, but I convinced my Android friend to buy it and try it out. He gave it a good shot, but it's just so hard to build fluency with, it never really stood a chance. I still wonder if the idea is sound if it were possible for people to learn more fluently in a reasonable timeframe.

  • wodenokoto 2 years ago

    The alphabet also works really well in about 10 groups. T9 dictionary of the dumbphone era worked really well and would have 3-4 letters assigned to a number.

    • frosted-flakes 2 years ago

      T9 still works pretty well. Samsung phones have it available as an alternative layout and it's shockingly accurate.

      • kadoban 2 years ago

        If you like T9, you might enjoy MessagEase. It's IMO just a natural improvement on the concept translated to touchscreens.

  • CarVac 2 years ago

    It's also similar to MessagEase, which is what I use.

  • charlieyu1 2 years ago

    and I just typed Japanese words romanized. The 12-key system is just slow to use anyway

aequitas 2 years ago

The one thing that still annoys me about the iPhone keyboard that I think Android does better is correcting mistakes. Apple expects you to correct your mistake before you finish a word by selecting the right suggestion. On Android typing backspace after a word undoes the suggestion so you can quickly correct a wrong suggestion. Instead of having to erase the whole word and trying again.

  • crossroadsguy 2 years ago

    I have been using iPhones for almost a decade. It still can’t predict my first name. It will suggest everything else but not my name. Even a typo word that, I chose not to use, I can’t make iOS un-remember for the life of me. It suggests words that I used maybe 3-4 times few years ago. But not the name that’s right there as part of my bloody Apple ID, my name in my contact book. Everywhere!

    Edit: I just installed Gboard and tried. My full name was the first thing it predicted after few characters. No Google login, no full access.

    I wish there was a way to remove that Google logo from GBoard and if only iOS allowed disabling network calls for individual apps (which is bothersome on iOS).

  • KMnO4 2 years ago

    This is partially true.

    If you misspell a word, it will auto correct. If you press backspace, the autocorrected word will still be there, but you can also tap to choose what you actually typed or a different suggestion.

    And if you backspace again, autocorrect will temporarily disable itself so you can fix minor typos.

    • aequitas 2 years ago

      Thx for this hint. I just tried this but it shows that suggestion at the cursor. Not above the keyboard. So it’s not as fast or useful :(

CGamesPlay 2 years ago

iPhone keyboard has had a bug since its inception that I'm surprised they never fixed. If you type "hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus hippopotamus" (or copy paste it), then on the last letter, hold backspace until there are only 3 hippopotamuses left, you will almost assuredly fail and delete too much. This is because, midway through deleting the second hippopotamus, iPhone switches to word deletion mode (which is fine), and first thing it does is "delete the remainder of the second hippopotamus" (still fine) and then with the same key repeat delay, delete the third hippopotamus (this is where you need to let go of the backspace key), and then the forth.

The effective deletion speed goes from "5 letters per second" to "5 words per second" without any chance for the meager human on the other end to adjust their expectations.

Fervicus 2 years ago

I have a personal Android phone and a work iPhone. They both have their pros and cons. But when it comes to keyboards, the iPhone typing experience is far worse than Android for me.

  • ok_dad 2 years ago

    It’s so bad. I switched from Pixel to iPhone and the main gripe I have is the keyboard. It’s the worst autocorrect experience ever. It constantly gets words wrong. The word “and” is constantly replaced with Abe, abs, or something else. Funny enough, just now when I was trying to type those words, it actually replaced them with “and”! Seriously, the developers of this keyboard soils be ashamed.

    • fatboy 2 years ago

      With both French and English enabled, it sometimes randomly "corrects" the English word "the" to the French word "thé" (meaning "tea" in English), despite every other word so far being English and despite the fact it would make no grammatical sense.

      Most infuriating of all though is when it lets you think you've got through the gauntlet of perfectly valid words being replaced with nonsensical ones, only for it to swap out the last _two words_ you've typed!

      • interpol_p 2 years ago

        I've had that replacement (the -> thé) and have never even enabled or used a French language keyboard on my device. At this point I disable autocomplete and autocorrect completely, on macOS and iOS.

    • karolist 2 years ago

      I switched from Pixel to iPhone and lasted a week, the keyboard, among many things - was a real deal breaker. MS SwiftKey is a notch better than the rest (even GBoard) on iPhones, but nothing holds a candle to just typing on a stock Pixel's keyboard.

      • mahmoudhossam 2 years ago

        Swiftkey doesn't enable swiping unless you give it full access which is worse than gboard.

    • Stratoscope 2 years ago

      > Seriously, the developers of this keyboard soils be ashamed. [emphasis added]

      It must have autocorrected your attempt to write "should"?!

      • ok_dad 2 years ago

        Yep. Didn’t even notice.

  • deergomoo 2 years ago

    It used to be a lot better. Around iOS 13 (I think?) they moved from a heuristics-based model to a machine learning-based model and it's never been the same since. It's just frustrating now.

  • kergonath 2 years ago

    And it used to be the other way around. Infuriating.

etchalon 2 years ago

I love these types of stories because they show that, no matter how much people protest, few designs which make their way to the public are the "only obvious way to do it". They're only obvious after you see them, and only if they work well.

bee_rider 2 years ago

I really miss physical keyboards on phones. The last pre-iPhone I had was some Samsung slider phone -- intensity maybe? Anyway it was cheap and not so impressive but it blew the iPhone typing experience out of the water.

  • donio 2 years ago

    Some of us still use them, on the Android side there have been at least a couple ok to decent options.

bjelkeman-again 2 years ago

A weird UI design bug is, If you type different languages on the phone you have different keyboard layouts for each language. The key to switch language has swapped location with the shift key for the iPad OS compared to iOS. So I am always hitting the wrong key when switching device. Such a weird thing for them not to fix.

  • nier 2 years ago

    I’m not 100% sure what you mean and am wondering wether setting the keyboard layouts to QWERTY in all languages is a solution for you. That’s the way I handle three different languages on iOS but of course long presses are required then to get at characters with diacritics.

  • doubled112 2 years ago

    Sounds like Ctrl and Fn keys between my Thinkpad and every other laptop in my house.

wodenokoto 2 years ago

I’ve never seen anyone detail it, but from usage it seems clear that behind the graphical presentation of the keyboard there are touch zones for each key that are bigger or smaller than the actual key and probably grow and shrink depending on the previous letter(s) typed.

Maybe newer versions don’t do it (or as much) but I actually thought the direction of the article was that he would hide the fact that 2-3 letters were on the same key.

porsager 2 years ago

The iPhone keyboard was definitely better than any other full qwerty smartphone keyboard of its time back then, but it felt so wrong to throw out the Baby with the Bath water. A whole generation had learned the T9 solution (not talking about the older multi tap). more people than ever had actually switched to something else than qwerty, and loved it. I think there is still plenty of great solutions to discover - I've explored some of them after building Type Nine (T9 for iPhone)[1], and I'm so sad time hasn't allowed me to explore further, but try to check out the option at the bottom of my post "A better iPhone typing experience" here [2]

[1]: https://typenineapp.com [2]: https://medium.com/porsager/a-better-iphone-typing-experienc...

  • kaba0 2 years ago

    I grew up with T9 feature phones and even though I am the typical tweaker (who once tried to learn Dvorak as well) I never managed to get good at typing with those phones. But that’s just an anecdotal view point :)

  • rrrrrrrrrrrryan 2 years ago

    BlackBerry keyboards were miles ahead when the iPhone first came out.

jasmer 2 years ago

The hardest challenge is knowing how much to integrate the correction.

You can do some really magical things by laying on hard to the auto correct but it comes subtly at the cost of making some rare words really hard to type.

retskrad 2 years ago

Forget listening to feedback from consumers. How about all the Apple employees who use iPhones? I don’t understand why most of them haven’t spammed Tim Cook about how awful the iPhone keyboard prediction/autocorrect is. Is Tim Cook not doing his job as a CEO by refusing to properly fund and focus on AI and crippling the iPhone in the process?

  • jxramos 2 years ago

    honestly I think because they're all forced to live on the devices they develop they simply haven't had a need to be exposed to competitors and assume no one else has solved the problem to a high degree of satisfaction. When I worked there folks thought I was crazy for wanting to keep my android device around even when I just used it for email and browsing. Android keyboard was a magically intelligent thing with all sorts of forward and backward typo clustering and tries all working in concert in this very smooth operation that could get itself out of a deep typo run and come out very correct. The android keyboard seemed to be aware of key proximity in 2D space on the keyboard, dictionary words, words I frequently typed, words I frequently blunder on, words that pair frequently with each other, etc etc. The sheer number of dimensions the android keyboard considers is impressive, iOS keyboard feels like a simpleton by comparison.

  • tinus_hn 2 years ago

    You don’t understand because you’re blowing this way out of proportion. Most people can use the keyboard just fine with no problems at all and it keeps improving. Nobody is ‘crippling’ anything and nothing is ‘awful’.

    It’s okay, it’s good enough, it’s much better than what preceded it, it looks like magic and it’s here, in a device you can hold in your hand.

girvo 2 years ago

> Kocienda’s first prototype was a ‘blob’ keyboard... [snip]… It was terrible

No it wasn’t! Or rather, the idea wasn’t. CooTek made the TouchPal keyboard for Windows Mobile with the same idea (ish), slide left for Q slide right for W slide down for a symbol (and slide left and up for a capital letter)

https://www.engadget.com/2007-10-12-cooteks-touchpal-brings-...

It was fantastic!

Edit: and this was on crappy 2.8” resistive touch screens too

  • lofaszvanitt 2 years ago

    I always wondered why interfaces are terrible, so so terrible and why frontend designers are underpaid. And somehow good innovations like this falls to the bottom every time.

  • jhanschoo 2 years ago

    Also, the dominant input method for phones used in Japan uses this concept with the old-school numpad layout (substituting repeated presses with flicks)

    • girvo 2 years ago

      Yeah it’s the flick that made it work (and fast), so I’m not surprised others have found similar solutions.

      I wish this keyboard existed on modern phones today. TouchPal does but it’s just some emoji keyboard now as far as I can tell.

      A modern dictionary/autocorrect with the “T+” style key level swipe would be amazing.

      I kind of want to try and build it now!

codr7 2 years ago

The software apple uses internally to flash igadgets is still called PurpleRestore...

pcurve 2 years ago

Reading through the below blurb (and the rest of the article), I couldn't help but wonder how this would've panned out in today's world with UX professionals and processes.

"Nobody on the 15-engineer team quite knew what the ideal software keyboard would look like. Over the next few weeks, the engineers developed a wide variety of prototypes. ... The remaining prototypes downsized the usual QWERTY keyboard, but these came with their own set of problems. The buttons were too small and there was no tactile feedback to tell the user whether they had hit or missed the button."

  • dagmx 2 years ago

    In the article they do mention that the design team was involved, so I’m not sure it’s any different really.

    Many companies of this size have product ideation come from both ends of the aisle and then tighten things up as they approach market.

  • dmitriid 2 years ago

    > this would've panned out in today's world with UX professionals and processes.

    It would be completely unusable. Because modern-day "professionals" optimize for nice screenshots on Dribbble, not for UX

Damogran6 2 years ago

I use odd words. I wish there were an accumulating score where, if I type something, then undo the autocorrect, then NOT correct my typing, that the iPhone would just let me use my odd words.

Also: I've never ended an SMS with \nb\n...quit adding a B to my texts!

There has to be a massive population of usability folks (or maybe not, Apple seems to be big, but the number of times they sweep engineering attention from topic to topic makes me think the ones that DO the stuff are much smaller.) I'd LOVE to be able give feedback to Apple in a way that wasn't just 'throw a suggestion down a hole, we won't reply to you.'

I suspect there are some emergent behaviors that aren't immediately obvious as they continue to 'improve' the keyboard (for the first XX years I had an iPhone, it never added a 'B' to texts) and I suspect there was a push to go from a really stable, really well behaving keyboard to one that used the neural engine, because over the past two three years, the keyboard started to make language based suggestions/corrections rather than letter based suggestions. It's better, but it's still nowhere near as good as it was three or so major iOS versions ago.

  • jaqalopes 2 years ago

    Random Ls throughout and Bs at the end of my messages in the last year or two have been driving me insane! Glad to know I'm not the only one.

  • KMnO4 2 years ago

    > I use odd words. I wish […] the iPhone would just let me use my odd words

    You’re describing the exact behaviour of the iPhone keyboard. Give it a try. I have all sorts of weird words that it has learned after I intervene a few times.

    • Damogran6 2 years ago

      Nooo, I’m describing the behavior I _experience_ with that keyboard. The number of times I type something, it messes it up, I back up, and the first option is the word I typed…

IndySun 2 years ago

The iOS auto correct is skewed toward verbal spoken errors not finger typos (as with t9). Apple would prefer users to dictate, for obvious reasons.

ebrewste 2 years ago

And the iPhone typing gets worse - I thought that I was getting worse at typing until helping a relative with their older iPhone (I have an XR). Typing on theirs was a breath of fresh air. I remember it being like that on my previous phones. My wife's iPhone pro max types just like mine. They are actually making it worse...

  • trenchgun 2 years ago

    Yes, they have broken it with some kind of machine learning bullshit.

Egoist 2 years ago

The two most accurate keyboards i used were the old Fleksy before it was bought and the BlackBerry Virtual Keyboard on Android. The Blackberry had the most interesting autocomplete / suggestion feature by putting the words on top of each letter. Typing “Example” can be as simple as typing “e” “x” then swiping up on the “a” if it had the word example on it. This allows more room for suggestions. Wish there were apps like that on IOS

_s 2 years ago

There's quite a few people struggling with the iOS keyboard - someone posted here a few months ago that if you turn off "Predictive" and "Slide to Type" in your keyboard settings - it goes back to behaving more like it used to.

I've found it made a massive difference for me, give it a shot and pass the word along.

jamesbfb 2 years ago

What a great read. Can anyone recommend any further reading that delves into this period of iPhone development? I vaguely remember reading a similar post some time ago, although regarding iOS development during that period.

habi 2 years ago

Completely off topic; why can this article not be saved to my Instapaper queue?

carrozo 2 years ago

The amount of times it corrects slight mistypings of “everything” to “berthing” makes me want to dock my rage directly to their spaceship campus.

muststopmyths 2 years ago

As a former windows phone user, there is nothing I hate more than the keyboard in iPhone.

But… I have found it very accurate in “swype” mode.

luxuryballs 2 years ago

iPhone keyboard started going downhill roughly around when the iPhone 5S came out I think, had one since the first edition and I remember it being so much more awesome around model 4.

LeoPanthera 2 years ago

iOS allows third party keyboards to be installed. Are none better?

  • blululu 2 years ago

    Installing software that functionally doubles as a keystroke logger has always sketched me out enough to never try.

    • LeoPanthera 2 years ago

      This is ignorant of how keyboard apps work on iOS. By default, they do not get internet or even network access, unless you explicitly permit it.

      • ihatepython 2 years ago

        Can you prove that?

        • pontilanda 2 years ago

          If you don't trust Apple to enforce that, can you even prove that Apple won't act as a key logger too?

        • LeoPanthera 2 years ago

          If you are that suspicious of Apple you should not be using iOS at all.

jonplackett 2 years ago

My iPhone keyboard is the single most annoying thing about my phone. It hasn’t improved - and potentially is worse - that it was at launch - despite my phone being considerably bigger.

One thing that frustrates me is it doesn’t seem to take into account how precisely I hit a key - if I type really slowly, hitting the centre of each key - that should count for something. It should trust that I put more. But it doesn’t seem to.

It also replaces works with completely random things I’ve never typed ever before. While at the same time missing really obvious corrections, and not taking context into account at all.

The keyboard is probably apple’s current product, after Siri of course.

  • graypegg 2 years ago

    It’s also aggravating if you commonly type across two languages. I sometimes forget to change to thé fr_CA keyboard and type a French word with thé en_CA keyboard and vice versa. But now that word is permanently locked in its respective dictionary forever. This is thé reason typing THE takes about 3 tries now. (As you can see…)

    The only option is to nuke all thé auto correct dictionaries in settings. Eye-twitchingly aggravating.

    • nier 2 years ago

      You must have very good reasons for keeping AutoCorrect on. I’d really like to “hear” them as I’m feeling that I did not get the point and am missing out by turning it off.

      And with it off, I can still manually select valid corrections pretty quickly by tapping suggestions.

      • xlii 2 years ago

        Not OP but my reason is handling of diacritics on iOS.

        Typing “e” is a baseline but typing “é” feels like it’s 1.5s: hold “e” wait for diacritics to appear, choose one, continue.

        Not only this breaks flow but is slow as hell. Word with 4 letters with diacritics takes around 5-6 seconds and it feels slow. Autocorrect fixes most of those quite often.

        If language is widely supported (English/Spanish/French) it’s easy and there are other methods of typing (swipe, text prediction) but leave that area and typing on iPhone is painful. Use more than 1 language and it’s even more painful. It almost requires setting the stage to be able to type in selected language and is still janky.

        I don’t understand why it is like that. If I’m writing in context of website it should assume that I’m using language of that website and allow me to break out if I really need. There should be API that allows third party apps (chat apps, note apps) to set language by context (like recipient in chat, note in note talking etc.) so that I shouldn’t have need to switch languages at all.

        As I’m typing this comment autocorrect is “finding” corrections in 3 languages. I feel like I spent more time removing it than typing.

        And yet “languabes” is perfectly good and I had to fix it manually. There is context, I used this word more than once and it’s in the most supported language on the platform.

        Come on Apple, this is core user experience. This should be better!

        • xattt 2 years ago

          Being multilingual is the bane of the Apple input experience. My day-to-day interactions are in English, but I speak with family members in Russian.

          Whenever a Russian text comes through, English Siri will be sure to mangle it, like Mojibake of the mid-90s and early-200s.

          There is also no way to ask English Siri to play a song with a non-English title. There actually seems to be a cottage industry of Russian songs on Apple Music with literal translations for this reason.

          Russian Siri has a pretty good success rate at picking up English speech but I just don’t want Russian Siri for the rest of the day.

          Don’t get me started if you have a multi-language household and want to have HomeKit and Siri.

          I think the solution would be to have a UI for picking primary, secondary and tertiary languages for voice interactions. Sadly, I think there won’t be any work done because it’s not perceived as a priority, despite Apple’s messaging at inclusivity and diversity.

    • climb_stealth 2 years ago

      Your post is beautiful. It conveys the frustration so well. It would be funny if it wasn't for that.

    • Raed667 2 years ago

      On Android I'm using the Microsoft SwiftKey keyboard and I feel that they have solved this quite well.

      If you use the same layout (for me AZERTY) on the English keyboard and the French one, it will merge them and automatically try to predict the language you're using.

    • superjan 2 years ago

      I also type multiple languages, and I make more typing efforts than average, in which case autocorrect really goes nuts. I turned autocorrect off a long time ago. Slower but at least I have control over what I write.

  • orobinson 2 years ago

    The iPhone autocorrect has got noticeably worse over the last 4 years or so. I’ve been an iPhone user since 2012 and I’m sure it used to be so much easier to type on despite having a significantly smaller screen.

    The thing that grinds my gears most is if something happens to be an apple trademark, it will auto capitalise it. For example “power nap” (the name of a feature on macs) becomes “Power Nap”.

    I’ve seen a few people saying that the iPhone typing experience has gotten worse lately. I wonder if there’s any analysis to back this up or if Apple are aware?

    • WA 2 years ago

      And the childish profanity filter. God beware, someone wants to type "shit". We can’t suggest this word and maybe autocorrect it to something else.

      • vladvasiliu 2 years ago

        I've also had a similar one, typing in French. In my case, it's "c'est chiant" (that's shitty / tough / etc). I usually use it at the beginning of a phrase, so the first C is capitalized.

        Now the autocorrect learned that, and offers to fix it if I misspell.

        But the funny thing is that it doesn't realize that the capital C is not part of the phrase, even though "c'est", by itself, exists and is often used (meaning "it is"). It typically appears because the auto-capitalize is on, I don't voluntarily type uppercase.

        So now, if I want to type that in the middle of a sentence, it will helpfully capitalize the C...

  • lachlan_gray 2 years ago

    I think they should stop taking input from the keyboard literally, and process it in a similar way to swipe typing which is usually pretty accurate.

  • melvinmelih 2 years ago

    The very first thing I do when I set up a new iPhone is to turn of all auto suggestions, auto spelling, and yes, even the auto capitalization. I’ve become so used to it that I’m almost unable to use other people’s phones…

  • keybits 2 years ago

    I recently turned off Slide to Type and enabled the new iOS 16 Haptic feedback for keyboard setting under ‘Sounds and Haptics’. My typing accuracy has improved a lot with these changes.

    • throwanem 2 years ago

      Why would enabling keyboard haptics improve typing accuracy? I'm just now trying them myself, not having known about the setting before, and it doesn't seem to have any effect other than causing an unpleasant sensation in my fingers as I type.

    • elboru 2 years ago

      Wow, thanks for this. I’m loving the haptic feedback. I’m not sure if this is just a placebo effect, but typing feels more precise. Is there anything in “Slide to type” that makes typing less precise?

  • lofaszvanitt 2 years ago

    Yeah the iPhone kb is just plain terrible. And typing accented characters are even worse. Especially because there are several accented characters you don't even use, ever. Wonder why?

  • cageface 2 years ago

    The slow animation you can’t disable easily cuts my typing speed in half too. The keyboard experience on Android is so much better it’s almost enough to keep me on that platform alone.

    • Twisell 2 years ago

      Seriously what the hell are you talking about? Beside you can disable almost all animations if needed through accessibility features.

      • cageface 2 years ago

        Yeah you can disable all animations system wide but not selectively just the dumb autocorrect animations.

        • Twisell 2 years ago

          I had to reactivate autocorrect to understand what you meant. I still struggle to understand your pain. You can easily disable individual assist feature in keyboard settings.

knolan 2 years ago

I’ve an old iPod touch from 2010 knocking about still. The kids play local music on it and mess about with its camera. It’s not connected to the internet. The battery is not up to much anymore but it works incredibly well still.

I’m shocked by how much better the keyboard experience is on it compared to my iPhone 11 Pro. Typing just feels accurate. I’m constantly mistyping on my iPhone and it always autocorrects the most basic typos to some random capitalised name or bizzare word. It’s infuriating.

  • kahnclusions 2 years ago

    You’re not alone. I am utterly baffled and infuriated with typing on my iPhone 12 Pro.

    I used to think typing on old iPhones was amazing. But over the past several years there is a noticeable decline. It constantly makes the most bizarre and unhelpful corrections.

    • ihatepython 2 years ago

      The situation should improve, now that ChatGPT has been released.

      It's only a matter of time until it gets integrated with the keyboard.

      • SimDeBeau 2 years ago

        Perhaps the reason they keyboard feels worse is the keyboard getting too “smart” already rather than being too dumb. But could also be an uncanny valley style curve, where “a little bit smart” is worse than both dumb and very smart.

    • geysersam 2 years ago

      Can you not install alternative keyboard apps on iPhones?

      • IndySun 2 years ago

        Yes. Search T9.

      • djxfade 2 years ago

        Yes you can

        • kahnclusions 2 years ago

          But they’re glitchy and sometimes slow to open (I presume because they’re trying to access the network)

  • shusaku 2 years ago

    I was glad to read this, I feel the same. Deep down I’ve been dreading that the cause is just me getting old…

  • bdcravens 2 years ago

    I'm glad I'm not alone in that perception

WirelessGigabit 2 years ago

And you know what, it was great! It worked incredibly well.

Until Apple decided to switch from this system of 'this word the user is typing kinda matches this word' to some form of AI / ML system. It's just worse.

https://venturebeat.com/business/apple-debuts-core-ml-3-with...

  • chime 2 years ago

    Is this the reason why my typing skills on iOS have deteriorated over the last few years? I have zero problems on keyboard but I noticed I make sooo many more mistakes on iOS now and almost always due to typing the next letter over. It happened 4 times in writing this comment and it’s infuriating enough that I rarely comment on my phone now.

    • bombcar 2 years ago

      They did something at some point that makes it feel like I’m typing on a keyboard that is offset about five pixels down and the left.

      • nequo 2 years ago

        Fbaz jz fdhs. Sorry, I mean, that is true. I've just assumed that my thumbs have deformed as I've grown older.

      • manmal 2 years ago

        Maybe an adaption for lefties and/or taller phones?

        • chime 2 years ago

          I am a lefty and always used the largest phones.

          • bombcar 2 years ago

            I feel it started with messing with the space bar but I may just be angry. When searching in the search bar I often search for.things.like.this which is annoying.

  • newZWhoDis 2 years ago

    I’ve watched it change correctly spelled intentionally used words to other words. Infuriating.