kitsunesoba a year ago

The "new" web UI is so bad that I barely if ever use reddit on desktop. 99.5% of my usage is through the iOS client Apollo, which is leagues better than not only the official web client but also the official mobile client.

Both Reddit and Twitter are great examples of bafflingly bad first-party UIs, and it's comical because these vastly better third party clients are often solo side projects. How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

  • Aardwolf a year ago

    I use the old reddit redirect plugin in firefox. If they ever take away old.reddit, that'll be very sad, since reddit will be practically unreadable then for me (due to the large and too image/video-focused new layout), and it still is some of the best sources of actual non-blogspam human generated content

    • 93po a year ago

      I will entirely stop using reddit if they take away old. I already refuse to visit it on my phone because of their annoying popups to download their app literally every single time you load a page.

      • CyanBird a year ago

        I use rif, which used to be called reddit is fun an android third party app. For some legal reason more likely than not they changed the name to "rif is fun" so technically it is named "reddit is fun is fun"...

        But yeah, it works very well, I have used it for many many years, and in the same vein if someone has got high recommendations to hn apps I am all ears, I have used materialistic for couple years but it has fallen short on more than a couple things and seems to not be updated anymore

        • txtsd a year ago

          These are called recursive acronyms. GNU (GNU's not Unix) is the most popular example, at least for us Linux folk.

  • userbinator a year ago

    How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

    As the classic saying goes, "well, there's your problem!"

    Work expands to fill the available capacity, regardless of whether it's beneficial to others besides the ones doing it, because those who are being paid will always try to justify their existence.

    The "solo indie dev" is, just by virtue of being limited in capacity, not going to add complexity where it isn't absolutely necessary, nor spend countless amounts of time on redesigning something that already works well.

    Over the years I've rewritten a lot of internal sites (after the relatively large teams responsible for their maintenance were cut) and turned them from huge monstrosities that would definitely require a large dedicated team to maintain into small, fast, simple ones which could almost be treated as a side-job.

    • red-iron-pine a year ago

      Those teams are optimizing for things that the business wants, not what the users or the devs want.

  • hbosch a year ago

    >How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

    Easy, no PMs!

    • peter422 a year ago

      One is optimizing for ad revenue and the other is not.

      • arp242 a year ago

        It's not that; or not only that. For a while scrolling on my laptop happened at ~2 FPS. Granted, my laptop is not very fast, but plenty of fast enough for compiling stuff and even some 3D games and it was slower than any other website I've ever used by a considerable margin. I can't be bothered to check what the performance is like now, but for a long time the entire thing was slow, janky, and objectively just didn't work well.

      • Nextgrid a year ago

        They could implement all the ads and user-hostility into Old Reddit just find and it would still be fast. In fact, I bet that Old Reddit with ads and trackers will still be faster than the New one without any of that.

  • ttepasse a year ago

    Some weeks ago someone here linked to

    That seems to be a new new web reddit, build on web components via lit and it seems rather performant in contrast to whatever stuff reddit is using now. I’m no convinced about the UI choices, but at least they seem to recognized that the "new reddit" wasn’t the best. Hope dies last.

    (In my dreams there would be a real Apollo for Mac OS. Real as in AppKit, not UIKit/Catalyst. Won’t ever happen, of course. As productive Selig is with Apollo for iOS, there are limits.)

    • jmisavage a year ago

      Oh that actually seems fast and doesn’t crash my browser

  • pwinnski a year ago

    > How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

    They have different goals. The solo indie devs are performing horribly on the metrics the internal dev team is judged by, and vice-versa.

  • dmix a year ago

    There's chrome/FF plugins that rewrite every url you're linked to which is better than the builtin user setting. I'm a frontend dev who should like the type of JS stuff Reddit tried to do last time around but it was a UX failure.

    HN is still the ideal UX model for Reddit style sites (besides comment formatting + images/video submissions + long comment threads + native search integration). and anything that adds to that via JS/async should start from there and improve it by loading it faster. Like a lot of redesigns its 2 steps forward in one direction and 2 step back as a whole.

    Things like speed of opening threads and video thumbnails etc were a big improvement but they weren't better than the 5yr old RES extension on top of the much simpler base of old Reddit.

    The previews beta Reddit that came out a few months ago had a way better search UI and nice redesign but also made the comment UX way worse requiring hitting "load more" 10x more often favouring non threaded comment threads (scrolling > interaction) which is not how Reddit works IRL.

  • robotburrito a year ago

    The real teams are not trying to make the best experience. They are actively trying to not do so for the sake of advertising probably. But that is just a guess.

    • ParetoOptimal a year ago

      > The real teams are not trying to make the best experience.

      They are trying to exist somewhere between not getting fired and getting promoted, occasionally something more if it doesn't conflict with those goals.

  • PurpleRamen a year ago

    > How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

    They don't outperform them, they have a different goal. The indie devs develop for the user. The company develops for the money, meaning more revenue, and whatever metrics for success they have.

  • schwartzworld a year ago

    You can gather much more data (the principal source of income for twitter and reddit) in a mobile app than a web one. The deliberately turfed their web offering to drive traffic towards official apps.

  • Eddy_Viscosity2 a year ago

    > How on earth are solo indie devs outperforming entire well-paid teams?!

    Because the UI for the first party apps have to be approved by MBA types who have different goals than 'make it good for users'.

  • dustingetz a year ago

    scroll views increase impression metrics

endisneigh a year ago

You have to use old and compact together. /thread.

  • siddboots a year ago

    I love that reddit now wants you to log in to view 18+ subreddits, and that the work-around is to replace "www" with "old" in the URL, asserting that you are indeed old enough.

    • wolongong942 a year ago

      Lol i noticed this. I can guarantee they're removing old.reddit soon, i can't see why else they'd do blocking on the front end this way.

      • ikr678 a year ago

        I was under the impression that most high value content producers and moderation tools that make the bigger subs usable rely on old. They know they'll drive away all the power users if it goes.

  • tommica a year ago

    And this is gone too now :( no more reddit on the phone

  • layer8 a year ago

    Thanks. Alas, this is more annoying for adjusting the URL on mobile. Previously you could just double-tap the “www” or “old” and type “i”.

robswc a year ago

I don't go on there much these days anyways... but if they remove "old.reddit" I just can't justify going on there at all.

More space is generally a good rule of thumb for UI/UX but when the "value" of the site/app is being able to grok through text fast, a "mobile-like" UI is awful.

sergiotapia a year ago

As soon as they remove that's a wrap for Reddit for me. That's the last thing to do before it goes the way of Digg way back when. Related where is Kevin Rose these days?

  • bschwindHN a year ago

    I've drawn the same line, their new UI is just absolute trash. I can't tell if it's done on purpose or if they're just that bad at creating web interfaces.

    • alwayslikethis a year ago

      It's 100% on purpose. One person can make a much better interface, as various alt clients have shown. Log in to show your age? How dare you browse without giving us data?

    • 3np a year ago

      It must be on purpose. What really drives this home for me is the aggressive folding of comment threads, sometimes requiring 3-4 clicks/navigations to be able to read all <10 comments on a post.

      • ParetoOptimal a year ago

        > requiring 3-4 clicks/navigations to be able to read all <10 comments on a post.

        3-4 times the ad impressions and 3-4 times the profit!

  • Firmwarrior a year ago

    I think some of the higher ups must realize that all of the content in the site that isn't TikTok-esque drivel is coming through old.reddit, or they would've cut it off long ago

  • shitlord a year ago

    Is there a good replacement for old reddit that's not so political? I just want to look at memes, discuss niche topics, and shitpost.

  • aceazzameen a year ago

    Same here. It'll probably be healthy for me when they finally remove it.

a_bonobo a year ago and are alternative interfaces that still work (until they shut down the API)

  • anecdotal1 a year ago

    They reverse engineered the Reddit API used by the official web client. It's not the same as the public API. Shutting down this API would break the website.

    • selcuka a year ago

      > They reverse engineered the Reddit API used by the official web client.

      Curious, how do they get away with CORS?

      • c-shubh a year ago

        CORS is enforced within browsers, not servers. Libreddit and teddit require you to self host or use publicly hosted instances.

        • selcuka a year ago

          Ah, I thought they are simply JS UIs to reddit servers. That explains it, thanks.

      • jacooper a year ago

        Its handled at the server level

andrepd a year ago

Still accessible with, but I wonder for how long.

Finally my cue to quit my reddit addiction? God I hate that website.

  • irrational a year ago

    The design yes, but I love so many of the subs like woodworking, gardening, baking, boardgames, etc. I’d hate to have to go to separate sites for all my interests.

    • andrepd a year ago

      I'll rephrase: I hate the reddit default subs and the "reddit culture" in general. I am a frequent reader of some absolute treasures of a sub, like /r/askhistorians or /r/boardgames

thrdbndndn a year ago

After some testing, it looks that it still works if you logged in (and use "old" reddit, i assume, since my account do).

Then you can visit just fine.

With non-logged-in session, you will be redirect to

  • chii a year ago

    if you're using mobile firefox, i think the redirect doesn't happen from (not yet anyway?).

Sunspark a year ago

Use instead.

  • clircle a year ago

    Not great on mobile phone

    • drivers99 a year ago

      That what I’ve always used. I just zoom in and out as needed. (Same with Hacker News.)

      • red-iron-pine a year ago

        only way to look at some (surprisingly tame, 100% SFW content) too. gotta be

        honestly the zooming isn't too bad and doesn't have to be done much. a well done mobile app would be preferable but it's perfectly fine for 10 minutes of casual browsing.

    • worthless-trash a year ago

      Is any reddit ?

      • rvba a year ago

        The i.reddit (compact reddit) was good on phone

        Although there were issues with invisible edit button

  • mdmglr a year ago

    Just a matter of time before they remove that as well.

afian a year ago

To whoever from Reddit corporate that is reading this - you’ve done something bad and unnecessary. The new “mobile optimized” UI is slow and buggy. The net result is that I’ll use Reddit less instead of clicking on more ads on your new site.

kelipso a year ago

Finally an excuse to quit reddit

remote_phone a year ago

The new ui is unusable in my opinion. I dare them to get rid of the old interface.

chewonbananas a year ago

I just realized that after unsuccessfully trying to load it for the last 4 minutes. What a sad day this is.

fuzzyninja a year ago

Using libreddit ( all day long. It’s been a while since I’ve used Reddit’s default web site

HashBasher a year ago

I highly recommend Slide IOS app! I don't know how they're able to block ads.

JadoJodo a year ago works for me still.

  • thrdbndndn a year ago

    Yeah, it still works here.

    • SOLAR_FIELDS a year ago

      Interestingly, Steve Huffman has gone on record at least 5 years ago stating that he will continue use to ensure is supported. I think he said it in an AMA shortly after he became CEO. I figure as long as he is still at the helm it will continue on.

      • MagnumOpus a year ago

        Huffman is not exactly known to stick by his words if it hurts his bottom line... Remember when he and Ohanian advertised Reddit as a "bastion of free speech" back ten years ago when it brought them new users, and then he did a 180 on that when it was convenient to raise advertising revenues in 2015?

      • clydethefrog a year ago

        The relevant comment in which he claims it's also one of his favourite methods to browse the site:

        • SOLAR_FIELDS a year ago

          Thanks for linking! Based on your comment it feels like I interpreted the original wrong. The person in your comment is not Steve, but their comment is basically equally valuable! So in practice what I said is still true, it’s just that whoever delivered the comment is not Steve

  • layer8 a year ago

    Redirects to www for me.

SanjayMehta a year ago is giving me a mobile website right now but never having seen it before, I don't know of it's new or old. It's reminiscent of IOS 4.

  • JadoJodo a year ago

    That’s what it’s always been. I recall it’s a leftover piece of the “iOS-focused” web from the late 2000s.