re 12 days ago

Looks like there's a Rust implementation: https://crates.io/crates/afsort

> When sorting English words, this implementation seems to be about 40% faster than sort_unstable from the Rust standard library.

That's better than I would have expected. It would be interesting to see how it does on other types of string sort problems.

  • antonhag 12 days ago

    Hi! Crate author here, happy to see my old project getting mentioned. Let me know if you have any questions!

    • ewalk153 11 days ago

      Do you actively use this function in any projects? What was your inspiration to write the crate?

      • antonhag 11 days ago

        I don't actively use it, unfortunately. The main inspiration was to faster sort inputs into the https://github.com/BurntSushi/fst crate, which I in turn used to try to build a search library.

Kon-Peki 11 days ago

Sorts like these work really well on GPUs. You would start with a single thread for the first pass and then keep spawning one-thread-per-bucket for every additional pass until done. It isn't particularly taxing on the GPU; your advantage comes from being able to run potentially thousands of threads simultaneously without having to worry about coordinating read/write memory access.

karmakaze 12 days ago

At first I didn't think I'd be interested.

> Using some efficiency techniques, it is twice as fast as quicksort for large sets of strings.

muti 12 days ago
jdeisenberg 12 days ago

Wondering how this sort would perform with Unicode input (given 256 buckets); specifically what the results would look like.

  • dhosek 12 days ago

    Ignoring the fact that if you have Unicode encoded strings, you probably want some sort of lexical sort rather than a sort on the raw Unicode character codes which is semantically meaningless, there is no reason to assume that Unicode data would be any different to sort than any other data.

  • bawolff 12 days ago

    Presumably it would be fine, since unicode input is still a string of bytes at the end of the day.

    • moonchild 12 days ago

      Unicode collation is very complex. If you wanted to sort according to that, then you would need to devise an isomorphism between unicode strings and bitstrings such that lexicographic ordering in the bitstring domain agrees with unicode collation in the unicode domain. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's not at all obvious how to do it. On the other hand, if all you want is some total order for acceleration structures, then you can indeed just use an arbitrary encoding like utf8 and do the obvious thing.

      • IncreasePosts 12 days ago

        Isn't that exactly what the Unicode collation algorithm is?

        https://unicode.org/reports/tr10

        tl;dr from its wikipedia page:

        > The Unicode collation algorithm (UCA) is an algorithm defined in Unicode Technical Report #10, which is a customizable method to produce binary keys from strings representing text in any writing system and language that can be represented with Unicode. These keys can then be efficiently compared byte by byte in order to collate or sort them according to the rules of the language, with options for ignoring case, accents, etc

      • bawolff 12 days ago

        You can just use the icu library to do that. Its a very common thing to do when working with unicode collations.

      • dsamarin 12 days ago

        The obvious solution to this is to pre-compile a list of all possible Unicode strings up to the required length, sort them, and create a lookup table using their indices. I wonder for what kind of project this would be useful.

        • thfuran 11 days ago

          If that works for you for anything but very small strings, I want to buy your computer.

        • remram 11 days ago

          Even for 3-codepoint strings it already wouldn't fit in any computer that exists. And that is not sufficient to encode all 1-glyph strings.

    • nanidin 12 days ago

      It says it sorts one byte at a time. I think this would break for anything not utf-8.

      • ts4z 12 days ago

        Seems like it should work for arbitrary byte strings (any charset, any encoding)but obviously the performance characteristics will differ because of non-uniform distribution. But that happens even in ASCII.

        • nanidin 10 days ago

          Yes, you’ll get something sorted based on the bytes in the string but it won’t be lexicographically correct - for example, à will be sorted after b.

      • brirec 12 days ago

        This would even break UTF-8, since multi-byte characters are a thing!

        • dumbo-octopus 12 days ago

          How would that break anything? The strings aren't being split.

        • ursusmaritimus 12 days ago

          Lexicographic encoding of UTF-8 byte sequences matches lexicographic order of the sequence of Unicode code-points. So you can sort UTF-8 strings as byte strings. Not that sorting by code-points has much meaning, but you can use the Unicode collation algorithm first.

          • mzs 11 days ago

            % printf "%s\n" A B | sort

            A

            B

            % printf "%s" A B | xxd -b -c4

            00000000: 11110000 10011101 10010000 10110100 ....

            00000004: 11110000 10011101 10010000 10110101 ....

            % printf "%s" A B | xxd -c1 -ps | sort | xxd -r -ps | xxd -b -c4

            00000000: 10010000 10010000 10011101 10011101 ....

            00000004: 10110100 10110101 11110000 11110000 ....

            % printf "%s" A B | xxd -c1 -ps | sort | xxd -r -ps

            ????????

          • remram 11 days ago

            TIL, thanks. That makes sense given how the length prefixes look like but I never thought about it. I wonder if this was by chance or if the UTF-8 creator thought about it.

        • nanidin 10 days ago

          Indeed, and is à less than b? Not in Unicode!

        • EmilyHughes 12 days ago

          UTF-8 is downward compatible to ASCII, so anything that is just a standard character (like every character in this comment) is just a byte.

  • seanhunter 12 days ago

    I think unicode is intrinsically antithetical to freedom. This would do great with ASCII.

jon_richards 11 days ago

The stars in the American flag aren't used. This is clearly Pride flag sort.

  • oniony 11 days ago

    And Mauritius's flag has more stripes.

defrost 12 days ago

There's a Peter M. McIlroy as well!?!

All this time and I thought it was just Doug, I'm guessing Peter might be the son of the father of pipe?

  • icsa 12 days ago

    Yes. He is a software engineer in Seattle.

NikkiA 11 days ago

This strikes me that it should parallelize pretty well if you deputise the individual stripes to multiple threads.

franze 11 days ago

today i coded franzSort, faster than mergeSort, slower than quickSort

function franzSort(a) { function m(l, r) { let s = []; while (l.length && r.length) { if (l[0] <= r[0]) { s.push(l.shift()); } else { s.push(r.shift()); } } return s.concat(l).concat(r); }

    if (a.length <= 1) {
        return a;
    }
    let h = Math.floor(a.length / 2);
    return m(franzSort(a.slice(0, h)), franzSort(a.slice(h)));
}

// Example usage let arr = [5, 3, 8, 6, 2, 7, 1, 4]; let sortedArr = franzSort(arr); console.log(sortedArr);

Zelizz 12 days ago

Pretty much just a variation of counting sort with a worse name? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counting_sort

  • dumbo-octopus 12 days ago

    No. The very article you link details the difference, and that Counting Sort is often a subroutine in Radix Sort, and that Counting Sort is extremely poorly suited to strings, which is the entire purpose of this sort. And this name is better. So... "no" in basically every way possible.

    • Zelizz 11 days ago

      Characters in a string can be thought of as digits in a base-256 number. Call counting sort recursively on each bucket, looking at the next character in the string. Can you not see the similarity?

      • chowells 11 days ago

        There is no one who fails to see the similarity, because they're both kinds of radix sorts. For instance, a counting sort is a degenerate form of radix sort that only does one pass.

        But where the classic radix sort is bottom-up, the American flag sort is top-down. That really matters for data where the the most significant portions of the data is likely to be all you need to consider for the sorting. While a top-down sort will have similar performance to bottom-up in the worst case, in the best case it can skip a lot of passes, especially if the inputs are much longer than the longest common prefix.

      • dumbo-octopus 11 days ago

        They're related, but in a very specific way that does not meet the bar for "variation" in my opinion. As you described, counting sort is a very simple procedure that works well only on a very specific input domain. If another algorithm has "more logic" than counting sort itself in order to transform a very different input domain into a format that is suited for making many repeated calls to (a procedure that may be implemented as) counting sort, in a specific pattern, and appropriately coalescing the results of those calls, I think it is appropriate to let it have its own name. Would you prefer to refer to every possible utilization of counting as "that version of counting sort where...."?

  • sltkr 11 days ago

    American flag sort is essentially an in-place version of counting sort.

    That's talking about the single-pass American flag sort. If you use American flag sort to sort strings, you do multiple passes: on the first pass, you sort all strings by their first character, then for each starting character, you sort the strings with that starting character (which are now in a contiguous subarray) by their second character, and so on.

    @chowells calls it a “top-down radix sort” below, which is a great description. It also explains the strengths and weaknesses of the two algorithms: radix sort works great for small strings of fixed length (e.g. IPv4 addresses, which can be thought of as 4-byte sequences) while American flag sort works great for variable-length strings like actual textual strings, especially if they don't share common prefixes (e.g. dictionary words, usernames, etc.)

    @hinkley pointed out that the recursive version is just a bucket sort, but in-place. Which is also true!

    tl;dr:

    Single-pass American flag sort = in-place counting sort

    Recursive American flag sort = in-place bucket sort

Oarch 12 days ago

The comments made me realise there's no national flag with lots of vertical stripes. Seems like a hole in the market.

Someone alert CGP Grey!

tomphoolery 12 days ago

Freedom Sort.

  • tom_ 12 days ago

    If you disagree, see the first amendment! If you still disagree, see the second amendment!

    • mondobe 12 days ago

      And if you STILL disagree, see the third amendment! If you're a soldier, in my house, I guess.

  • tomschlick 12 days ago

    Cue the Team America theme song

    • mcfedr 12 days ago

      That is basically what I hear in my head everytime I see that flag

  • tantalor 12 days ago

    For democracy!

    • seattle_spring 12 days ago

      I'm doing my part!

      • __d 12 days ago

        would you like to know more?