Ok, I know this is a joke, but... in all seriousness, I recently moved FreeBSD releases to a quarterly calendar. The first month of the quarter, people are encouraged to finish up their works in progress and get them into the tree; the second month, we have BETA/RC builds every week; and in the third month (usually at the start but not always) I do the final RELEASE build.
This wasn't for any corporatey reason though; it just happened that "every 3 months" is a natural cadence for doing releases. (In a sense it's a 6-month cadence, like e.g. Ubuntu, but we support two major versions at any given time, and their schedules interleave.)
Sometimes a calendar quarter is just a calendar quarter.
hey, author here - I want to get on record that I don't think this is silly at all. I think there is something truthful and useful in dividing and conquering time, it's just that generally the bar is so low right now and we should do better!
Feature request: Please add an endpoint that is by stock ticker (e.g. "https://corporate.watch/AAPL", as some companies do their financial reporting on a different calendar, and it would be nice to reference with respect to their "datetime zone".
Yeah some publicly traded companies have a different 'beginning of the year' but good luck with finding and making one for each (even with some elaborate on-the-fly scripting).
I think the whole effort was to make a funny landing page that would prompt visitors to check the bread-maker objectivetrackr.
It's reasonably easy to get that information from their SEC filings (for public companies), which are all in similar formats, if not exactly the same format. It wouldn't be as hard as you're implying.
Indeed, they even file with the SEC to say WHEN their system starts/ends every year. Investor relations website probably spells this out quite clearly, too.
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And if shit hits the fan, he will take full responsibility before making the incredibly hard decision of letting you go after thanking you for all your hard work as part of the close-knit corporate family.
Real World aside: The other day I tried to 3D print small text. (Not super small, just the usual 0.4 nozzle size.) Comic Sans worked out best for this due to pretty constant line width.
Fonts with 'routed' in their names are often a good place to look for this - they're named thus because they were designed to be scribed/engraved with a router, so very frequently have a constant width.
I was once given a 3d print of my name by one of my father's friends who had a 3d printer at home.
I think this was what font they used except they had it all connected , that is if I am typing "test" then t is connected to e and then s and then t , in probably the same font as that of Comfortaa.
Nothing more corporate / enterprise than deciding the year starts at any point other than January 1st :) (yeah I know all about the fiscal year, which I also find hilarious)
Some of them don't even start on a month boundary, or even on the same day every year. Cisco, for instance, has a fiscal year based on a retail calendar[0]; their fiscal year ends on the last full week in July.
Well yes for a strictly non-consumer company, since their revenues don't depend on Superbowl, Valentine's Day, Easter, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Amazon Prime Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving/Cyber Monday, Christmas. They probably depend more on Fed rate cuts/rises affecting corporate infrastructure budget.
("Honey I got you that Cisco 4500 you always wanted...")
Whereas for anything consumer e-commerce, you'd want a calendar with variable/sliding dates (e.g. SuperBowl) but that at least keeps the above events in the same quarter YoY, consistently.
not to be THAT NERD but in the UK at least, the financial year (April 6th - April 5th) was aligned with the start of the new year which was March 25th.
The old financial year started on 25th March, which was also new year's day (and also the point that the year incremented, so if you were knocking around on March 24th 1300 the next day would be March 25th 1301.
But when everyone changed to the Gregorian Calendar - which added 11 days to the calendar to make up for some sloppy Papal mathematicians who didn't believe in things like astronomy or leap years - the tax year had to be shifted to be April 6th, because while everyone else was happy to work around things, the tax office was NOT going to have a tax year that was 11 days shorter because that would have meant less money.
So basically, when the calendar changed happened, new year was set as 1st January (yawn, stupid time to have new year!) at which point the year count incremented up by one year, and the tax year stayed (and still stays) as April 6th, which was really March 25th but with some days tacked on.
ISO 8601 allowing week-based year numbering is even more insane. E.g. In 2007-12-31 (in RFC 3339 format) is allowed to be notated as 2008-W01-1 in ISO 8601. RFC 3339 is superior, partly because it prevents this bullshit.
ISO week numbering is actually sort of neat, because instead of leap days it has entire leap weeks since the 400-year Gregorian cycle has a whole number of weeks in it, but for some reason they decided that a week's year is the Gregorian year in which the Thursday of that week occurs.
We have a P0 to add calendar 445/ 544/ 454. This critical oversight is causing us to lose sales, as our sales folks never know when those companies fiscal year ends, and end up missing budgetary deadlines.
Also, my legal team says your color choices aren't compliant with Section 508, so regrettably, we do have to take legal action.
Edit: EMEA has questions I couldn't answer about GDPR, PII & data governance. Can you please hope on a quick call to see if they also want to sue you?
Offset financial years mean your finance people aren’t working furiously between Christmas and New Years getting the EoY stuff done. I feel bad for the ones in my company every year.
Well, 52 weeks is 364 days, and a calendar year is 365.5±0.5 days, so if you are doing “years” by whole numbers of weeks and don't want to get more than a week out of sync with the regular civil calendar, you are going to need a 53 week year every few years, regardless of your start date.
This is fun. Seems like you got several comments here trying to "improve" it's "usefulness". I like it as is, a piece of art on how corporate speak is unrealistically obtuse.
They would have had to add a leap week every five or six years to keep that in sync with the normal calendar - did they do that, or did they just let the calendar drift?
It's been... almost 20 years since I looked at that.
I believe that it had a slightly floating start date.
NetApp fiscal quarters are:
Quarter Three: October 28, 2024 through January 24, 2025
Quarter Four: January 28, 2025 through April 25, 2025
Quarter One: April 28, 2025 through July 25, 2025
Quarter Two: July 27, 2024 through October 23, 2025
And from Wayback (adjusted to fit same ordering)
Quarter Three: October 29, 2018 through January 27, 2019
Quarter Four: January 28, 2019 through April 26, 2019
Quarter One: April 30, 2018 through July 27, 2018
Quarter Two: July 30, 2018 through October 26, 2018
I remember the 4-4-5 from back then (started in '98, was laid off in '09) because we had the old style BIG releases where it was a weekend of things changing (and that was ok). The last weekend of the first month was infrastructure major changes, the last weekend of the second month was software major changes, and the last two weeks of the third month were hard frozen for accounting to not have changes.
It looks like they had a 14-week quarter from April 27, 2020 to July 31, 2020. Given that there's only one 14-week quarter in the data set (which is about what you'd expect) I can't figure out what the rule is, but oh well.
You know what is really wild and caused a few bugs in corporate reporting apps? Every 5 or 6 years you need to account for a 14 week quarter. 13 * 7 is 364 so four 13 week quarters will not add up to a calendar year.
6-week December threw off a bunch of reporting last year for my company. The reporting group was not aware of the 6-week fiscal month, and the date dimension table didn't reflect it.
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I really like this. As easy as it is to be cynical about corporate-speak, I find that it's sometimes actually useful (except for the whole touching base and circling back jargon).
Questions. When do weeks start? On Saturdays or Sundays? How do you account for partial weeks at the beginning/end of years?
ISO 8601 covers that. Weeks start on Mondays. The first week of the year has January 4th in it, which means that it sometimes starts on a Monday in the previous Gregorian year. This is why strftime has separate format specifiers for ISO year and ISO week year, %Y and %G: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/strftime.3.html#NO...
My company (left unnamed to protect the guilty) starts our week on Thursday. Or sometimes Wednesday. But definitely not on Tuesday! Except a couple of places where it's Tuesday.
It's juuuust close enough to ISO8601 where with a bit of forethought everything could have been easy.
I've seen Saturday for payroll week start. It naturally makes sense to align other business calendars accordingly.
It does get funky with overtime. If weather cancels a Monday-Friday shift, you might schedule a makeup shift on Saturday. What would typically be straight time in the same pay period is now going to cause overtime in the following week.
I was expecting something much dumber than this. I don't mean the idea or the execution. I mean what was being executed. If someone tells me they're going to tell the time "in corporate", I'm expecting inefficiency masquerading as management, inscrutable abbreviations, divisional infighting, at least one personality profile tool, teambuilding, and an astonishing use of passive voice. I was genuinely excited to see how that would translate to a clock.
What I would add to this (perhaps below the fold):
1. The current time in a few major cities around the world (NYC, SFO, London, CET, Mumbai and Beijing come to mind), with an indication of where it's working day (which is not 9 to 5 everywhere). Particular emphasis should be put on timezones that just started and ended daylight saving (EU and US aren't synchronized on this).
2. Upcoming holidays in major world countries.
3. Info about which fiscal year it is and when that's going to change.
You could probably get Claude to build you an artifact for this in 5 minutes though.
I cannot read these fucking comments, they create some kind of anxiety about the fact that I thought to be the only one having to listen to this crap at work and now I see that the world is simply doomed.
to really amp it to corpo-speak, you should use the Severance styling, they've done a great job really taking out the personality from any of their design. feels very dystopian + peak corporate!
I like it! I recently got quite interested into different ways of looking at the "seasonality" of the year, financial quarters are definitely also a way to look at it.
I really like looking at the way the sun defines stuff, I made a similar website for how long until the next solstice etc. https://solarcalendar.earth/
Our Fiscal Year starts in October but one of a subsidiaries start in March which means we're often in different fiscal years. Make sure to account for that. We need to translate between real dates to fiscal dates all the time.
I lose a little more will to live each time someone smugly reminds us that the fiscal year actually started in February or whatever the fuck. God dammit can we just have one CALENDAR. It’s okay I know you need to close the finances or whatever, but why can’t that just end in January and start again in February, instead of creating this dumb second year for ourselves.
You know what it is? A leaky abstraction. Implementation details of finance leaking into something as fundamentally basic as the calendar for the entire rest of the company. NO!!!
Financial budgets work on financial years, so the money to pay you is driven by that.
Of course, the budgeting year could be different to the financial year, but for the execs that are compensated by financial targets, they need to be able to align.
So basically, the rest of the company has no choice.
I actually encountered T1 in a company presentation once. I thought they were joking, but it's apparently a thing also. I guess it hits the sweet spot between a half year and a quarter...
Uhm? The site doesn't show what week it is..? It's currently week 9 of 2025, but the site shows W7 of Q1. (Maybe that's what you meant? Searching for the current week in the quarter?)
It's very unrealistic. There aren't any OIDC and other authentication flows that involve at least five redirects and intermediate login screens. Nor are there any T&C and data processing dialogs. I'd expect at least one "this only works on that very old version of edge/IE" error. And it should have at least three different brands and logos hacked in, in order to be close to be a realistic corporate service. /s
I've always been curious about folks who use this phrasing and tone.
"Are you aware" always seems condescending to me. It's a weird assumption to make that because someone made a choice, that they weren't aware that there were other choices.
It's like walking up to someone who drives a Honda and saying "are you aware you could have bought a Ford?"
Please help me, us there another interpretation of this kind of phrasing?
I hate the "not all" argument. It falsely accuses us of making a claim that all X has property Y. It falsely implies that we cannot comment about a feature unless we expand the comment to the universe of other features. The "didn't you know" barb ties in here, as it presupposed that we somehow agreed to this "must include all" rule and broke it.
You could take it at face value. I have no idea if this was a 15 minute off-the-cuff effort, or a larger researched project. Rather than assume they either did or did not know, I asked. If they knew, they can explain their choice more. If they did not, they have something new to look into.
If you are taking it as condescending, that is on you. It was simply a question.
The best way to look at it is that "are you aware" is always condescending. There are two answers; yes and no. If they say yes, they have to apologize for not adding your feature. If they say no, you're calling them ignorant. There isn't an out that deescalates and reduces the toxicity, so you're forcing everyone to now be as rude as you.
Phrasing your statement like "my corporate year starts on November 15th; is there any way to offset the start of the year?" would sound nicer. If the author was aware of that and didn't add the feature, then they can say so. Or if they weren't aware, they can say "good idea". Now nobody has to get defensive and the heat of the conversation can generally decrease, keeping everyone happy and polite.
> If you are taking it as condescending, that is on you.
Tone is an essential, unavoidable, yet undefineable thing. There's a geek fantasy that humans communicate logically and explicitly using only literal meanings of words, but the reality is that most human communication is in body language, tone, emotion, context, and more - and there's no way to define exactly how all those work or what they mean.
I got the same impression as the GP. I'm not always great at it myself but unless I make sure my tone conveys what I want it to convey, I'm rolling the dice.
I would like to integrate with 30 bespoke SSO providers; is that something that I could be charged $100/user/month for after spending 8 hours of my time in some Zoom calls with people that aren't sure?
A quick Google shows 65% of public companies use calendar year as their FY.
At our startup, it's even more complicated :) we use calendar year for official financial / business metrics, while our planning quarter is offset by 1 month (Q1 = Feb/Mar/Apr).
At least you're using the actual months. I've recently had to deal with 4-5-4 Retail Calendars. Explaining to my coworkers why the data for September includes dates from both August and October, and that's Working As Intended.
I can't remember the last time I worked at a corporation that used the actual Gregorian calendar.
Most of the times it's some shadow-Greg calendar that's slightly out of phase. E.g., I think my 2025Q1 starts on 1 Mar? I've never been entirely sure.
Intel used some "work week" concept that I never figured out the rules for, in the entire time I worked there, beyond that it wasn't ISO weeks.
The spirit of the idea is neat, though, and I should build something like this internally but using whatever esocalendar we're using… then I'd be able to remember whether we're +1 mo, +2 mo, 1Y-1mo … or whatever … out of phase with normal people.
> The International Fixed Calendar divides the year into 13 months of 28 days each. A type of perennial calendar, every date is fixed to the same weekday every year. Though it was never officially adopted at the country level, the entrepreneur George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928, where it was used until 1989.
Ok, I know this is a joke, but... in all seriousness, I recently moved FreeBSD releases to a quarterly calendar. The first month of the quarter, people are encouraged to finish up their works in progress and get them into the tree; the second month, we have BETA/RC builds every week; and in the third month (usually at the start but not always) I do the final RELEASE build.
This wasn't for any corporatey reason though; it just happened that "every 3 months" is a natural cadence for doing releases. (In a sense it's a 6-month cadence, like e.g. Ubuntu, but we support two major versions at any given time, and their schedules interleave.)
Sometimes a calendar quarter is just a calendar quarter.
hey, author here - I want to get on record that I don't think this is silly at all. I think there is something truthful and useful in dividing and conquering time, it's just that generally the bar is so low right now and we should do better!
Feature request: Please add an endpoint that is by stock ticker (e.g. "https://corporate.watch/AAPL", as some companies do their financial reporting on a different calendar, and it would be nice to reference with respect to their "datetime zone".
With the company headquarters as a background image, AI generated with more or less inferno/rainbows depending on last quarter's performance.
Yes, please!
Yeah some publicly traded companies have a different 'beginning of the year' but good luck with finding and making one for each (even with some elaborate on-the-fly scripting).
I think the whole effort was to make a funny landing page that would prompt visitors to check the bread-maker objectivetrackr.
It's reasonably easy to get that information from their SEC filings (for public companies), which are all in similar formats, if not exactly the same format. It wouldn't be as hard as you're implying.
Indeed, they even file with the SEC to say WHEN their system starts/ends every year. Investor relations website probably spells this out quite clearly, too.
But how long do I have before I need to hand in my deliverables at EOD???
This is going to push things back to NBD
>r
Are we really still doing the "-r" branding (brandr)? It is so tiresome.
Our corpo year starts May 1.
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My boss tells me we need it in Comic Sans for the next meeting with our board of directors.
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Let's get everybody working on the feature into an hour long status meeting to check for blockers.
This is really important so we'll need to do this at least twice a day
No stop it, you’re stressing me out just reading it.
Don't worry, your manager will roll up their sleeves and help you code
And if shit hits the fan, he will take full responsibility before making the incredibly hard decision of letting you go after thanking you for all your hard work as part of the close-knit corporate family.
Real World aside: The other day I tried to 3D print small text. (Not super small, just the usual 0.4 nozzle size.) Comic Sans worked out best for this due to pretty constant line width.
Fonts with 'routed' in their names are often a good place to look for this - they're named thus because they were designed to be scribed/engraved with a router, so very frequently have a constant width.
(and if you're up for a rabbit hole, https://aresluna.org/the-hardest-working-font-in-manhattan/ )
That was a delightful rabbit hole.
Also, thank you for the "routed" tip. Your rabbit hole also mentions "monoline" and the MIL-SPEC-33558 font too.
I'd upvote you ten times if I could. Made my day.
Comfortaa works well for this:
https://fonts.google.com/specimen/Comfortaa
I was once given a 3d print of my name by one of my father's friends who had a 3d printer at home.
I think this was what font they used except they had it all connected , that is if I am typing "test" then t is connected to e and then s and then t , in probably the same font as that of Comfortaa.
I would like to share the existence of Comic Papyrus: https://befonts.com/comic-papyrus-font-finally.html
It actually looks really good , but I don't see a option to try text like in google fonts for example. Let me see if its on google fonts
Edit:nvm the option to write text is below , I didn't see it. Its kinda cool actually.
Now there's a design that pops!
Nothing more corporate / enterprise than deciding the year starts at any point other than January 1st :) (yeah I know all about the fiscal year, which I also find hilarious)
Some of them don't even start on a month boundary, or even on the same day every year. Cisco, for instance, has a fiscal year based on a retail calendar[0]; their fiscal year ends on the last full week in July.
0 - https://nrf.com/resources/4-5-4-calendar
It is for year over year comparability for anyone unfamiliar
Well yes for a strictly non-consumer company, since their revenues don't depend on Superbowl, Valentine's Day, Easter, Memorial Day, Fourth of July, Amazon Prime Day, Labor Day, Thanksgiving/Cyber Monday, Christmas. They probably depend more on Fed rate cuts/rises affecting corporate infrastructure budget.
("Honey I got you that Cisco 4500 you always wanted...")
Whereas for anything consumer e-commerce, you'd want a calendar with variable/sliding dates (e.g. SuperBowl) but that at least keeps the above events in the same quarter YoY, consistently.
not to be THAT NERD but in the UK at least, the financial year (April 6th - April 5th) was aligned with the start of the new year which was March 25th.
The old financial year started on 25th March, which was also new year's day (and also the point that the year incremented, so if you were knocking around on March 24th 1300 the next day would be March 25th 1301.
But when everyone changed to the Gregorian Calendar - which added 11 days to the calendar to make up for some sloppy Papal mathematicians who didn't believe in things like astronomy or leap years - the tax year had to be shifted to be April 6th, because while everyone else was happy to work around things, the tax office was NOT going to have a tax year that was 11 days shorter because that would have meant less money.
So basically, when the calendar changed happened, new year was set as 1st January (yawn, stupid time to have new year!) at which point the year count incremented up by one year, and the tax year stayed (and still stays) as April 6th, which was really March 25th but with some days tacked on.
1752 must have been a pretty confusing year.
I'll be honest I wasn't expecting just how many people have slightly different start / end dates!
ISO 8601 allowing week-based year numbering is even more insane. E.g. In 2007-12-31 (in RFC 3339 format) is allowed to be notated as 2008-W01-1 in ISO 8601. RFC 3339 is superior, partly because it prevents this bullshit.
ISO week numbering is actually sort of neat, because instead of leap days it has entire leap weeks since the 400-year Gregorian cycle has a whole number of weeks in it, but for some reason they decided that a week's year is the Gregorian year in which the Thursday of that week occurs.
Reading the comments here gives me PTSD and a wish to go deep down the forest chopping woods
We should table this discussion and circle back EOD. Regards,
this thread both made me laugh and gave me heart palpitations, thanks everyone!
We have a P0 to add calendar 445/ 544/ 454. This critical oversight is causing us to lose sales, as our sales folks never know when those companies fiscal year ends, and end up missing budgetary deadlines.
Also, my legal team says your color choices aren't compliant with Section 508, so regrettably, we do have to take legal action.
Edit: EMEA has questions I couldn't answer about GDPR, PII & data governance. Can you please hope on a quick call to see if they also want to sue you?
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No need to appreciate. Signing the retroactive NDA is a non negotiable.
lol, yep, mine is 1st October?!
Offset financial years mean your finance people aren’t working furiously between Christmas and New Years getting the EoY stuff done. I feel bad for the ones in my company every year.
Though it means that some years have 53 weeks in.
Well, 52 weeks is 364 days, and a calendar year is 365.5±0.5 days, so if you are doing “years” by whole numbers of weeks and don't want to get more than a week out of sync with the regular civil calendar, you are going to need a 53 week year every few years, regardless of your start date.
Don't they any way?
This is fun. Seems like you got several comments here trying to "improve" it's "usefulness". I like it as is, a piece of art on how corporate speak is unrealistically obtuse.
Thanks! It's only after this comment that I realised just how close corporate planning is to a parody of itself :)
The "improve its usefulness" comments are totally inline with suits (execs) interacting with smellies (software) and make this even better.
> I like it as is, a piece of art on how corporate speak is unrealistically obtuse.
Definitely obtuse. Why unrealistic though?
> ... each quarter is ~13 weeks ...
When I worked at Network Appliance (Q1 earnings call is August 27th), they used a strict 4-4-5 calendar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4–4–5_calendar
This meant that it wasn't "about" 13 weeks for each quarter, the quarter was defined as 13 weeks (91 days).
All I see is quarter != quarter. How has it come to this!?
They would have had to add a leap week every five or six years to keep that in sync with the normal calendar - did they do that, or did they just let the calendar drift?
It's been... almost 20 years since I looked at that.
I believe that it had a slightly floating start date.
And from Wayback (adjusted to fit same ordering) 2018-19: https://web.archive.org/web/20180626150216/https://investors...2019-20: https://web.archive.org/web/20200430103748/http://investors....
2021-22: https://web.archive.org/web/20210802092405/https://investors...
2022-23: https://web.archive.org/web/20221001020458/https://investors...
2023-24: https://web.archive.org/web/20230607023812/https://investors...
It appears that it floats a little bit.
I remember the 4-4-5 from back then (started in '98, was laid off in '09) because we had the old style BIG releases where it was a weekend of things changing (and that was ok). The last weekend of the first month was infrastructure major changes, the last weekend of the second month was software major changes, and the last two weeks of the third month were hard frozen for accounting to not have changes.
It looks like they had a 14-week quarter from April 27, 2020 to July 31, 2020. Given that there's only one 14-week quarter in the data set (which is about what you'd expect) I can't figure out what the rule is, but oh well.
Apparently financial analysts are (or were) surprised when that extra week leads to corresponding changes for other metrics: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01654...
Leap week
You know what is really wild and caused a few bugs in corporate reporting apps? Every 5 or 6 years you need to account for a 14 week quarter. 13 * 7 is 364 so four 13 week quarters will not add up to a calendar year.
6-week December threw off a bunch of reporting last year for my company. The reporting group was not aware of the 6-week fiscal month, and the date dimension table didn't reflect it.
Thankfully no particular harm was caused by it.
If it were in Europe you could have just taken a couple of weeks off work.
Based on previous discussions during a review with higher ups, there need to be some options as to how the week numbers are counted. Can you action that by KW10.3 and report back. I will create a JIRA ticket for tracking. Many thanks for your support.
Sorry, Jira is a bit slow today.
Now add business day (BD #) for financial services… in the visitor's country.
Sounds easy, right? Just something like:
https://aakashkh.github.io/python/2019/05/30/Business-Days-C...
But then a wild Holiday appears:
https://fastercapital.com/content/Business-Day--Business-Day...
What type of week numbers is this? US?
There are multiple different numbering systems for week numbers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Week#Numbering
I really like this. As easy as it is to be cynical about corporate-speak, I find that it's sometimes actually useful (except for the whole touching base and circling back jargon).
Questions. When do weeks start? On Saturdays or Sundays? How do you account for partial weeks at the beginning/end of years?
ISO 8601 covers that. Weeks start on Mondays. The first week of the year has January 4th in it, which means that it sometimes starts on a Monday in the previous Gregorian year. This is why strftime has separate format specifiers for ISO year and ISO week year, %Y and %G: https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man3/strftime.3.html#NO...
My company (left unnamed to protect the guilty) starts our week on Thursday. Or sometimes Wednesday. But definitely not on Tuesday! Except a couple of places where it's Tuesday.
It's juuuust close enough to ISO8601 where with a bit of forethought everything could have been easy.
I would understand someone asking if the week starts on Sunday or Monday, but I honest to God did not know some people start their week on Saturday.
I've seen Saturday for payroll week start. It naturally makes sense to align other business calendars accordingly.
It does get funky with overtime. If weather cancels a Monday-Friday shift, you might schedule a makeup shift on Saturday. What would typically be straight time in the same pay period is now going to cause overtime in the following week.
Just an off by one error on OPs part, I guess
Can confirm. I got the weekend confused.
Muslims, and therefore many countries in the Middle East and North Africa.
It painfully misses that "there are 5 weeks left" because I have to calculate it. I don't care how much have gone, all I care how much is left!
Unsure if this is either meant to be funny and cringe or a cry for help. I can see it being either.
There is something awful about corpogarbage speak.
Its content marking for a metrics tracker / project management tool https://objectivetrackr.com/?utm_source=corporatewatch&utm_m...
It sounds like a marketing guerilla tactic rather than a funny web site.
The ui is not lotus notes[1] enough. Still great.
[1]: or jira, sharepoint, salesforce, google docs, etc
I was expecting something much dumber than this. I don't mean the idea or the execution. I mean what was being executed. If someone tells me they're going to tell the time "in corporate", I'm expecting inefficiency masquerading as management, inscrutable abbreviations, divisional infighting, at least one personality profile tool, teambuilding, and an astonishing use of passive voice. I was genuinely excited to see how that would translate to a clock.
What I would add to this (perhaps below the fold):
1. The current time in a few major cities around the world (NYC, SFO, London, CET, Mumbai and Beijing come to mind), with an indication of where it's working day (which is not 9 to 5 everywhere). Particular emphasis should be put on timezones that just started and ended daylight saving (EU and US aren't synchronized on this).
2. Upcoming holidays in major world countries.
3. Info about which fiscal year it is and when that's going to change.
You could probably get Claude to build you an artifact for this in 5 minutes though.
I think you’ve missed the point. This isn’t actually meant to be useful. It’s commentary on the inane nature of corporate milestones.
Yeah adding holidays totally missing the point - everyone knows there are no holidays until quarterly goals are met.
It would be nice if it had a graph with some arrows in it.
I cannot read these fucking comments, they create some kind of anxiety about the fact that I thought to be the only one having to listen to this crap at work and now I see that the world is simply doomed.
Hey, it's not doomed. I created objectivetrackr.com (the link at the bottom) because I think we can fix corporate planning comedy!
to really amp it to corpo-speak, you should use the Severance styling, they've done a great job really taking out the personality from any of their design. feels very dystopian + peak corporate!
Might want to add a disclaimer in view of https://corporatewatch.org/ ("Corporate-critical news and research since 1996")
I was pretty sure I was the only person who had one of these, but I guess not...
I also built something like this: https://ascent.ca/fos/qs.html
We learned in school to use week numbers in Sweden. I never realized the rest of the world didn't use it.
There is even this notorious website here called vecka.nu that just tells you the current week.
Love this.
It could look more awful-corporate though.
I like it! I recently got quite interested into different ways of looking at the "seasonality" of the year, financial quarters are definitely also a way to look at it.
I really like looking at the way the sun defines stuff, I made a similar website for how long until the next solstice etc. https://solarcalendar.earth/
A funny idea but I think it is wrong(?)
The site suggests it is "7 weeks into 2025" but as of today (Feb 25th, 2025) we are in week 9 (according to MS Outlook calendar at work)
Where are the AI features?
We're waiting for approval.
First time I've encountered a site blocked by the work firewall, funnily enough.
My work blocks any domains registered in the last 90 days which is a big pain in the ass
I'm at home and it is blocked. Very interesting
Calendar days are meaningless in corporate. Better state workdays (or best of both worlds: mention # of calendar days and # of actual workdays)
Could be useful to have the number of working days left in the quarter (even an approximation of 5/7 would do).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_of_Nine
5 out of 7? I must say, this is a grading scale like no other I’ve seen before!
Our Fiscal Year starts in October but one of a subsidiaries start in March which means we're often in different fiscal years. Make sure to account for that. We need to translate between real dates to fiscal dates all the time.
How am I supposed to integrate this into our company infra? No observability hooks, no load balancing support, no enterprise auth, no RBAC. Lame!
> CloudFlare Content Blocked > This has been blocked due to the DNS Default Deny [CONTENT CATEGORIES] rule
I'm seriously considering reporting the site, as blocked in error.
It's nice. But. Where is Q5? Our CEO said we need one.
You could add how many "selling days" are left in the quarter (mon-fri minus holidays).
This calendar is what we work after
A useful addition would be to show weekdays/weekends with a localization option for holidays (Here in Sweden we have 5 days off this Q2)
But what about the fiscal year?!
I lose a little more will to live each time someone smugly reminds us that the fiscal year actually started in February or whatever the fuck. God dammit can we just have one CALENDAR. It’s okay I know you need to close the finances or whatever, but why can’t that just end in January and start again in February, instead of creating this dumb second year for ourselves.
You know what it is? A leaky abstraction. Implementation details of finance leaking into something as fundamentally basic as the calendar for the entire rest of the company. NO!!!
Financial budgets work on financial years, so the money to pay you is driven by that.
Of course, the budgeting year could be different to the financial year, but for the execs that are compensated by financial targets, they need to be able to align.
So basically, the rest of the company has no choice.
Why it’s so ugly? Can you style it a bit? It’s not like 80’s anymore.
I like this, I built something far less accurate...
https://clockish.co.uk/
It's missing H1 / H2 :-)
I actually encountered T1 in a company presentation once. I thought they were joking, but it's apparently a thing also. I guess it hits the sweet spot between a half year and a quarter...
This is really useful! I know the thing was made ironically, but this is unironically useful.
How do I add it as a widget next to my calendar on my iPhone, Mac and PC?
Love it, but it needs an icon so I can install it as a PWA.
Oh, and can I get the icon in corn-flower blue?
Should add how many working hours are left in the given quarter.
Translated to story points
Paired with a burn rate, assuming people work 20 hours per day, don't take PTO and don't get sick.
Management approved of the solution, and based on our data your can have it done by ... next week. Can you show the MVP?
Does it include unpaid hours checking mail and slack at home?
every week I search at least once “which week is it” — kudos :)
KDE and Microsoft Outlook allow you to add the ISO or American week number to the calendar.
Probably other software has this icon
Uhm? The site doesn't show what week it is..? It's currently week 9 of 2025, but the site shows W7 of Q1. (Maybe that's what you meant? Searching for the current week in the quarter?)
oh, I was being subtle since everyone was asking for a feature request.
Is it supposed to look like a Microsoft Word document from 1996? It’s all Times New Roman with 16-bit color highlights.
I was really hoping that the link at the bottom was further trolling corporate disfunction
Why stop at different fiscal years? We need companies with different fiscal calendars entirely.
Lots of great announcements planned for our Q2 FY 44009 earnings call!
having this open in another tab adds just the right soundtrack: http://conferencecall.biz/ ;)
Rating this website, it’s perfect.
I give it a perfect 5/7
That's too high.
We all known perfection only merits a "meets expectations" review.
Which is exactly the number of days a week you plebs will work, and that is final.
Only if the project is ahead of the "copy of pm-projQ1-gantchart.v2.final.xls", otherwise gear up for crunch time!
.watch is blocked by my corporate firewall. please use .com
Same here, I get a scary looking page from Cloudflare Gateway saying "Access to this site has been blocked by the Protective DNS Service".
.watch is blocked by your corporate firewall. please complain about mindless limitations to corporate
Can you add calendar week and fiscal year start
Please add Time Until Lunch.
All that's missing is a "Happy [day-of-the-week]!" greeting
Please add how many lunches are left.
And how much time spent figuring out where to go to lunch.
Time is an illusion. Lunch time doubly so.
OK but where is the speaking clock but for msft teams.
I prefer the Swedish site vecka.nu (meaning week.now)
Thanks. This is way better than my current solution, searching "[current_year] week calendar" on Google Images.
I changed the default date format of our internal company home page so instead of "25 February 2025” it reads "Tue week 9, 25 February"
I love when something like this pops up. Crazy useful, like the various UTC conversion web apps out there.
If deadlines start at a 2 week sprint and compress logarthimically over the span of a year, we are now at deadline 5.
I think the watch should randomly show the time in either quarters or tertiles. Gotta have both.
Not really relevant but somehow this reminded me of https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
I did not expect that.
I expected this to be about promises and sales and contracts.
So it actually made me laugh.
Raw unstyled HTML, In this economy?
Fuckyeah.
What about business days? Are you going to leave me at mere the "calendar days" like a Plebe
neat!
It's very unrealistic. There aren't any OIDC and other authentication flows that involve at least five redirects and intermediate login screens. Nor are there any T&C and data processing dialogs. I'd expect at least one "this only works on that very old version of edge/IE" error. And it should have at least three different brands and logos hacked in, in order to be close to be a realistic corporate service. /s
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Are you aware that not all corporations follow the calendar year?
I've always been curious about folks who use this phrasing and tone.
"Are you aware" always seems condescending to me. It's a weird assumption to make that because someone made a choice, that they weren't aware that there were other choices.
It's like walking up to someone who drives a Honda and saying "are you aware you could have bought a Ford?"
Please help me, us there another interpretation of this kind of phrasing?
I hate the "not all" argument. It falsely accuses us of making a claim that all X has property Y. It falsely implies that we cannot comment about a feature unless we expand the comment to the universe of other features. The "didn't you know" barb ties in here, as it presupposed that we somehow agreed to this "must include all" rule and broke it.
You could take it at face value. I have no idea if this was a 15 minute off-the-cuff effort, or a larger researched project. Rather than assume they either did or did not know, I asked. If they knew, they can explain their choice more. If they did not, they have something new to look into.
If you are taking it as condescending, that is on you. It was simply a question.
The best way to look at it is that "are you aware" is always condescending. There are two answers; yes and no. If they say yes, they have to apologize for not adding your feature. If they say no, you're calling them ignorant. There isn't an out that deescalates and reduces the toxicity, so you're forcing everyone to now be as rude as you.
Phrasing your statement like "my corporate year starts on November 15th; is there any way to offset the start of the year?" would sound nicer. If the author was aware of that and didn't add the feature, then they can say so. Or if they weren't aware, they can say "good idea". Now nobody has to get defensive and the heat of the conversation can generally decrease, keeping everyone happy and polite.
> If you are taking it as condescending, that is on you.
Tone is an essential, unavoidable, yet undefineable thing. There's a geek fantasy that humans communicate logically and explicitly using only literal meanings of words, but the reality is that most human communication is in body language, tone, emotion, context, and more - and there's no way to define exactly how all those work or what they mean.
I got the same impression as the GP. I'm not always great at it myself but unless I make sure my tone conveys what I want it to convey, I'm rolling the dice.
Even if someone didn't find your initial comment condescending, they likely would find this one to be so.
I have no reason to doubt your explanation and intention, however I think it would have been more efficient if this misunderstanding could be avoided.
Maybe something like "This looks good. Would be nice to see it extended to support companies that do not follow the calendar year.".
It is in a condescending tone.
I know this, because I have to self-correct my own communications because of the same or a similar problem (a bit on the autism spectrum).
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I would like to integrate with 30 bespoke SSO providers; is that something that I could be charged $100/user/month for after spending 8 hours of my time in some Zoom calls with people that aren't sure?
100/user/bespoke sso provider/month right?
Plus the support contract and the 200% administrative fee.
Of course - no doubt there are many schemes! I have found this to be by far the most common
A quick Google shows 65% of public companies use calendar year as their FY.
At our startup, it's even more complicated :) we use calendar year for official financial / business metrics, while our planning quarter is offset by 1 month (Q1 = Feb/Mar/Apr).
Same.. This is my personal hell
At least you're using the actual months. I've recently had to deal with 4-5-4 Retail Calendars. Explaining to my coworkers why the data for September includes dates from both August and October, and that's Working As Intended.
I can't remember the last time I worked at a corporation that used the actual Gregorian calendar.
Most of the times it's some shadow-Greg calendar that's slightly out of phase. E.g., I think my 2025Q1 starts on 1 Mar? I've never been entirely sure.
Intel used some "work week" concept that I never figured out the rules for, in the entire time I worked there, beyond that it wasn't ISO weeks.
The spirit of the idea is neat, though, and I should build something like this internally but using whatever esocalendar we're using… then I'd be able to remember whether we're +1 mo, +2 mo, 1Y-1mo … or whatever … out of phase with normal people.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Fixed_Calendar
> The International Fixed Calendar divides the year into 13 months of 28 days each. A type of perennial calendar, every date is fixed to the same weekday every year. Though it was never officially adopted at the country level, the entrepreneur George Eastman instituted its use at the Eastman Kodak Company in 1928, where it was used until 1989.
Might it have been something along that line?
s/Are you aware that/Btw,/