For those wondering why this exists: many of the pages that were formerly listed on the CDC website have been disappearing, likely in response to recent executive orders, though this has not been made explicit.
As an example, I checked the Women's Health page and noticed a lot of removals -- the pages on menstrual health and hygiene ([1] vs [2]), or the page summarizing health disease statistics in women ([3] vs [4]). That's just from 5 minutes of glancing through, and there are probably many others.
It is useful to compare the differences between the two sites, but it would definitely benefit from a list of what has been changed. Right now this primarily helps doctors and scientists who need to access data they already knew about (i.e. via bookmarks) but is less useful for observing patterns in what is being censored.
> I'll count on you to push back on the President if this indeed turns out to be what he wants.
Can we count on you to make up the difference in their paycheck if they're fired for this? Also, is there some reason you couldn't organize this pushback externally, right now?
Given that people are being fired left and right on laughable pretexts, I can't blame the people tasked with implementing these executive orders for erring on the side of "what the boss probably wants". Especially when the boss is very loud about what he wants.
> The Bureaucracy intentionally read the executive order on gender in a broad and absurd way.
I think Trump's biggest stunt is to convince almost half of American voters is that the cause of their financial problems is not the broken system (of financing higher education and healthcare) nor the top rich people who get richer whereas the poor become poorer, but some magic "Bureaucracy" - basically people like you and me, some of which at some point decided to serve their country rather than get a job in private sector for more money.
I saw this rhetoric of common enemy before, but I never believed people would be gullible enough to believe it. (I say this as a person who believes that periodic review and improvement of functioning of all infrastructure is crucial, but the way you do it is decisive.)
Well if that's the case I'm sure the Executive will make it a priority to issue clarifying guidance for agencies so they can accurately reflect its intent.
You said “LBQT focussed articles” when every example in the grandparent comment was about women’s health. So, who benefits from the articles? Well, women for starters.
Just like browsers can invalidate a root certificate, so can DNS servers replace their root DNS servers, at least for specific TLDs such as this one, thus bypassing ICANN entirely.
ICANN would likely not grant such a tld due to similarity concerns with .us/.gov.
You can do the same thing without a tld of course: <original domain>.pubmirror.com (or whatever you want to use) is just about as easy despite an extra dot. My personal fqdn is even shorter than ".usgov"! The hard part is recreating/mirroring all the stuff.
Idk what you’re talking about but you can’t in good faith say _anything_ about this presidency is comparable to any other US presidency ever. You’re disingenuous, a troll, AI, or all of the above.
I don't think this is exhaustive and things have expanded since this was published, but this[1] somewhat covers this
> CDC webpages currently note that the "CDC's website is being modified to comply with President Trump's Executive Orders." Specifically, the CDC has been purging its website of topics related to diversity, gender identity, and LGBTQ issues. In addition, CDC researchers have been ordered to retract papers submitted to journals that use words or phrases like non-binary, transgender, LGBT, pregnant people, and more.
Ive heard HIV and contraception related information was also removed [2].
> Among the many pages that remain down are Health Disparities Among LQBTQ Youth, Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of Vaccine for Mpox Prevention, and Fast Facts: HIV and Transgender People.
Other government sites [3] had similar purges for different topics:
> The Northeast Organic Farming Association of New York alleges the agency illegally scrapped essential webpages without public notice last month, after USDA Director of Digital Communications Peter Rhee ordered staff to archive or publish “any landing pages focused on climate change.”
The blanket removal of all pages in the women's health category is certainly an interesting choice. I guess the next step after denying that there may be more than two genders is to ... deny that there's more than one? Or that gender exists at all? Equality at last!
Honestly, no idea; but I'd certainly wonder why the question flipped from what pages were removed that shouldn't have been, to whether they got enough traffic to merit talking about at all. Maybe acknowledge the prior answer before moving the goalpost?
I hate that many projects use Discord where anything else (IRC, Matrix, whatever) would work but in this case especially. Tencent owns an undisclosed share in Discord and just generally seems like a bad choice of communication platform if you want to look better than doge
Discord works by clicking a button - you get to signup, you fill in your email, bam you're on the Discord channel in your browser. Zero friction, nothing new to learn for the user.
I have never had that experience with discord, despite already having an account. It's truly mysterious what the actual link --> my account has the discord path should be.
I find IRC much easier, but I haven't used it in about 15 years.
Discord basically phased out in browser. There is no link to it only the link to get the 500 MB behemoth app. If you manage to open web ui because it is in your browser history it hits you with a captcha and email verification code every time. Etc
Current administration doing absolutely everything they can to destroy confidence in federal government. All of this so tho oligarchs can get their tax cuts and pave the way for a fully privatized nation.
not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.
Trump tomorrow is giving a speech in Congress and we can bet how loud - Very Loud, Very Very Loud or We Love You Ecstatically, Our King - he will be applauded to.
If the democrats get enough votes in the house and senate, I imagine they’ll swiftly kick him and hopefully vance out.
For that to happen, the US economy will need to collapse (likely, given the tariffs, dismantling of governments, alienation of all trade partners, and multiple incoming pandemics, including measles, bird flu and ebola).
However, the US will have to be a democracy in 12-24 months, and all of Trump’s actions suggest he thinks that’s unlikely.
Not sure why this got downvoted, this is stating two clearly correct premises. The only people who will vote against Trump are in the Democratic Party, and the only way they'll get enough representatives into power is with economic collapse. Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. Dismantling the institutions and installing autocracy is not something that causes public sentiment to change.
> Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation.
And yet there always seems to be a stark contrast between what conservatives state they voted for versus what studies bear out in that regard. Basically every election in my politically aware history has come down to "the economy" and yet conservatives can see all time highs across many metrics and decry something as a "bad economy" and immediately switch positions as soon as their guy is elected even though nothing material has changed around the economy. Just like it was never about the price of eggs in the latest election. The price of eggs is just the most politically correct thing they could latch onto to justify their votes. All talk of egg prices went silent despite the price of eggs continuing to rise. It's almost like something else was the primary issue all along.
Metrics are averages that obscure the heterogeneity of base reality. About 100 million Americans own no significant assets. Metrics that show stonks going up is not lived by these people. They hold some fiat which deteriorated in value and a real wage which has declined because housing inflation is a larger proportion of their expenditure than what the CPI basket has weighted. Housing ownership is further out of reach than ever, while inequality has ballooned because asset owners doubled their wealth due to asset price inflation.
So it is accurate that for this subset of people, inflation has been destructive, in an absolute sense but especially in a relative sense. And it's this subset of people that broke for Trump, educational polarization is at an all time high and the racial purity of Trump's base eroded with Hispanics entering the coalition.
The same people will vote for radical conservatives after inflation and prices rises again. And they won't vote for democrats no matter well democrats run the economy.
It is not inflation. Inflation is something they latch on when convenient.
Elections happen at the margins. Most Trump voters are Trump voters regardless of anything. But inflation is what moves the marginal vote. It's what motivates higher turnout on one side vs the other, for example.
Dems performed well among the people that benefited from inflation -- boomers who owned homes and the college educated who own assets.
Republicans performed well among the people who were harmed the most by it. Hispanics, and those without college degrees.
Incumbents everywhere, left or right wing, are falling because of inflation.
He got impeached for withholding military aid to force the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, but that's not a factor in this case.
Broadly speaking, Trump claims that he has the power to tell any executive agency to not do anything under the "unitary executive" theory. Whether this holds or not is up to the courts to determine, but unless and until there is a stay, the executive agencies have to follow the EO.
> “You need to do your fucking job right because other people from other states are watching your ass,” the man allegedly said in a voicemail. “You fucking renege on this deal or give them any more troubles, your ass will never make it to your next little board meeting.”
German election official with about one and a half decades of experience here: That's helluvalot disturbing. This is mafia mentality, this is shit I'd expect out of Belarus (or Russia proper), not out of the US. At that point it might be a valid statement to say that China has fairer elections - they only got one party but at least to common knowledge at least the officials aren't getting direct death threats!
How can y'all expect fair elections to happen when there will be no one left to count, record and certify the votes and results?
Interesting question. Why didn’t America fail right off the bat with this problem? What has changed that this type of behavior is becoming increasingly common?
The gain of cowardice and/or implicit official approval by not reflexively cracking down on them.
In the 18th to 19th century American administrations weren't squeamish to outright use the army to gun down riots or insurrections. Influenced perhaps by the very literal "reading of the riot act" as an official threat to shoot entire crowds as an accepted thing. Attempt death threats to public officials then and the only question was if you would be shot or hanged for doing so. The appetite for that has been lost over time, perhaps related to Kent State and Tienanmen Square changing the optics from 'strong authority restoring order' to 'depraved psychopathic tyrannical government'.
Not that we need that level of violence, all that is really needed to is to give the Secret Service standard of treatment for death threats to the president handed down to all other lesser officials. If being tracked down and arrested was an absolute certainty instead of something they could think they could get away with.
It's absolutely abhorrent that you think combating the effects of racism in the healthcare system is political. Do you also believe that about sexism in the healthcare system?
Yes, it is. It's also science, and also a good thing, but that doesn't stop it from being politics.
> Politics (from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká) 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources. — Wikipedia
by that logic absolutely everything about government is politics, and therefore the word is not very useful. why do you keep using it? is it possible you're trying to lean on some implications of using the word but you haven't been brave enough to state them outright?
I think viewing racism as a public health problem is valid. Would you be critical of the CDC talking about poverty’s effect on health? Lots of doctors really should be able to prescribe non-drug interventions to provide safe housing and low stress environments to their patients. Many health issues aren’t caused by bodily infections or failures. They’re caused by policy and society. Thus the CDC should be free to discuss politics when they think it’s the right solution to a disease.
I don't know if it's really a problem. Congress and the POTUS can always ignore a department's political requests. If there were to be guardrails they should involve a judge declaring the political statements aren't relevant to the department's mission.
Examples of websites that were removed are available starting on page 6 of this memorandum from the court case [edited to say these are examples of what was removed, it's not a complete list]:
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/6/1/doctors-fo...
It's about 6 pages so I won't copy it here, but this was guidance for doctors on issues like HIV prevention, contraception, fertility, and other issues, as well as datasets on which localities are most vulnerable due to social and environmental factors, and guidance on recruiting diverse populations for clinical trials.
The CDC website was gutted in Jan 2025 following the Trump administration’s opening salvo of executive orders. This deprived American (and global) healthcare professionals of valuable information. There has been loss of faith in the CDC and government in general as repositories of scientific literature amongst the healthcare and scientific community, which is why sites like these have popped up
Per the about page, which is linked right at the top of restoredcdc.org:
“ We are developing code to pull CDC pages which were archived by prior to January 20, 2025. Similar archives have been created by the End of Term (https://eotarchive.org) project and are hosted by the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org). The individual pages are archived, but links between them are broken and the pages are not easy to locate through web searches. Therefore, we will re-build the links between the pages, to create a site that can be navigated the same way the pre-January 21, 2025 CDC site. The only changes we will make on these pages is to add a header that indicates that this site is not a CDC website.”
I trust that this is true, but a cursory browsing through 2024 outbreaks, for example, shows the same information.
To your parent poster's point, it would be nice to have a damning example like "look at this thing that was taken down." Maybe such examples belong somewhere else, but it might help dissuade skeptics.
Please see pages 6 to 12 in this declaration from the court case for examples of what was taken down. Note that Judge Bates issued a temporary restraining order to the CDC to restore these websites, so it shouldn't look different (except that the CDC put a ridiculous disclaimer on some of the pages) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/6/1/doctors-fo...
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What's missing from their about page is any detail that would support these claims. A list of changed and deleted pages would be a good start, so we could at least judge for ourselves.
Also how do we know we can trust whoever is running this site? Compared to the Internet Archive which has a long track record of reliably mirroring any page requested or crawled.
The first amendment prevents the government from abridging the right for people to assemble and peacefully protest. Given that there's a public safety concern, one could argue there's nuance here, but you can hardly blame them for taking the safe route and avoiding violating our constitutional rights, and it's doubtful there was enough precedent for the CDC to feel comfortable taking the legal risk.
It might have been a 1A issue if CDC straight out prohibited the protests, but the baseline expectation was for people who introduced and/or supported the mask mandates to at least clearly say that such large gatherings should be avoided for the sake of containing COVID.
Instead, we've heard things like, “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”
(FWIW I'm pretty far left and I think that COVID restrictions broadly made sense. I also believe that the protests had valid causes and would be perfectly reasonable if not for that whole ongoing epidemic thing.)
Based on your first sentence I thought you were going to talk about the government shutting down church services, which was a talking point on the other side. I think in either case, the first amendment would allow for the government to impose safety restrictions. (Could you, for example, use the first amendment to stop your church from getting shut down due to building code violations?)
not just conservatives, people who decided we can afford to pay attention and apply critical thinking also lost faith in anything where any combination of 2 or more of the following intersect: corporate profits / medicine / government / politics
HN doesn’t like reasonable questions in general. Jeff Geerling once got on the wrong side of HN moderation (falsely accused of spamming); you should see the hate for HN in the comments on his post about it. Many choice words, increasingly completely deserved.
Probably. It’s public knowledge that all Y Combinator alumni get a special indicator, and can recognize each other on here, but nobody else is allowed to know who they are. For all you know, that post which was downvoted to oblivion, was solely because it upset five of the insiders, who are also the five replies calling you stupid.
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For those wondering why this exists: many of the pages that were formerly listed on the CDC website have been disappearing, likely in response to recent executive orders, though this has not been made explicit.
As an example, I checked the Women's Health page and noticed a lot of removals -- the pages on menstrual health and hygiene ([1] vs [2]), or the page summarizing health disease statistics in women ([3] vs [4]). That's just from 5 minutes of glancing through, and there are probably many others.
It is useful to compare the differences between the two sites, but it would definitely benefit from a list of what has been changed. Right now this primarily helps doctors and scientists who need to access data they already knew about (i.e. via bookmarks) but is less useful for observing patterns in what is being censored.
[1]https://www.restoredcdc.org/www.cdc.gov/womens-health/mhh-co...
[2]https://www.cdc.gov/womens-health/mhh-continuing-education/i...
[3]https://www.restoredcdc.org/www.cdc.gov/womens-health/featur...
[4]https://www.cdc.gov/womens-health/features/heart-disease.htm...
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Do you work at the CDC? Can you share your sources for this?
We (the general public) know absolutely nothing about why these pages were removed. All we can say definitively is that they are gone.
And spit out baseless speculation too of course.
So just to confirm: you think this is a bad thing.
Ok. I'll count on you to push back on the President if this indeed turns out to be what he wants.
> I'll count on you to push back on the President if this indeed turns out to be what he wants.
Can we count on you to make up the difference in their paycheck if they're fired for this? Also, is there some reason you couldn't organize this pushback externally, right now?
If this is true, why don’t we see the administration ordering the pages restored?
Are all the firings across the federal government just to cause backlash too?
Given that people are being fired left and right on laughable pretexts, I can't blame the people tasked with implementing these executive orders for erring on the side of "what the boss probably wants". Especially when the boss is very loud about what he wants.
> The Bureaucracy intentionally read the executive order on gender in a broad and absurd way.
I think Trump's biggest stunt is to convince almost half of American voters is that the cause of their financial problems is not the broken system (of financing higher education and healthcare) nor the top rich people who get richer whereas the poor become poorer, but some magic "Bureaucracy" - basically people like you and me, some of which at some point decided to serve their country rather than get a job in private sector for more money.
I saw this rhetoric of common enemy before, but I never believed people would be gullible enough to believe it. (I say this as a person who believes that periodic review and improvement of functioning of all infrastructure is crucial, but the way you do it is decisive.)
Well if that's the case I'm sure the Executive will make it a priority to issue clarifying guidance for agencies so they can accurately reflect its intent.
Any day now surely.
So who actually uses / benefits from these LBQT focussed articles?
You said “LBQT focussed articles” when every example in the grandparent comment was about women’s health. So, who benefits from the articles? Well, women for starters.
I'm impressed at how you can perceive conspiracies everywhere.
I'm impressed that some people refuse to see conspiracies anywhere. Let alone put blind faith in bureaucracy.
"I take no responsibility for the wide-ranging consequences of my poorly worded and ill-thought out executive orders!"
Good, this is dragging us back to the stone ages.
To be fair, more like the early 20th century. Or today in much of the world.
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Were I rich, I would buy a new tld (.usgov?) where we can recreate all the stuff being destroyed.
It is possible for 1yr TC of many people here. But you need to apply and wait. And the same hostile government, using ICANN, can can your TLD.
Just like browsers can invalidate a root certificate, so can DNS servers replace their root DNS servers, at least for specific TLDs such as this one, thus bypassing ICANN entirely.
ICANN would likely not grant such a tld due to similarity concerns with .us/.gov.
You can do the same thing without a tld of course: <original domain>.pubmirror.com (or whatever you want to use) is just about as easy despite an extra dot. My personal fqdn is even shorter than ".usgov"! The hard part is recreating/mirroring all the stuff.
Like https://govwayback.com/? It enables trivial access to everything as archived before the current admin took office.
I think if you were rich, you'd do us a bigger favor by just buying the USGov.
Musk already did that. Doesn't seem to be working out that well for the "us".
Right, so at this point the bar for improvement is low.
I know absolutely nothing about xnx, which leads to me believe that he'd probably do a far better job with it.
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Could you point to some evidence for this claim?
Idk what you’re talking about but you can’t in good faith say _anything_ about this presidency is comparable to any other US presidency ever. You’re disingenuous, a troll, AI, or all of the above.
Link?
What has actually disappeared? pubmed went down for a little bit - but it's back now. What is all this about?
See pages 6 to 12 of this declaration: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/6/1/doctors-fo...
https://www.meatpoultry.com/articles/31530-lawmakers-urge-tr...
I don't think this is exhaustive and things have expanded since this was published, but this[1] somewhat covers this
> CDC webpages currently note that the "CDC's website is being modified to comply with President Trump's Executive Orders." Specifically, the CDC has been purging its website of topics related to diversity, gender identity, and LGBTQ issues. In addition, CDC researchers have been ordered to retract papers submitted to journals that use words or phrases like non-binary, transgender, LGBT, pregnant people, and more.
Ive heard HIV and contraception related information was also removed [2].
> Among the many pages that remain down are Health Disparities Among LQBTQ Youth, Interim Clinical Considerations for Use of Vaccine for Mpox Prevention, and Fast Facts: HIV and Transgender People.
Other government sites [3] had similar purges for different topics:
> The Northeast Organic Farming Association of New York alleges the agency illegally scrapped essential webpages without public notice last month, after USDA Director of Digital Communications Peter Rhee ordered staff to archive or publish “any landing pages focused on climate change.”
[1] https://www.medpagetoday.com/obgyn/generalobgyn/114078
[2] https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/public-health/removal-pages-cdc-w...
[3] https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/climate...
> pregnant people
I'm usually not a bigot but that one is dumb
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Judge Bates issued a temporary restraining order to the CDC to restore certain websites.
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The blanket removal of all pages in the women's health category is certainly an interesting choice. I guess the next step after denying that there may be more than two genders is to ... deny that there's more than one? Or that gender exists at all? Equality at last!
(for reference: https://www.cdc.gov/womens-health/mhh-continuing-education/i...)
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Honestly, no idea; but I'd certainly wonder why the question flipped from what pages were removed that shouldn't have been, to whether they got enough traffic to merit talking about at all. Maybe acknowledge the prior answer before moving the goalpost?
https://analytics.usa.gov/center-disease-control "Top pages data over the previous calendar year is unavailable." looks like they don't want these sorts of questions answered either.
Oh, you're sealioning. It's cute that you think we don't recognise it for what it is.
https://wondermark.com/c/1062/
Hmm, the invitation link to discord sends me to a blackhole. Are invitation restricted?
I hate that many projects use Discord where anything else (IRC, Matrix, whatever) would work but in this case especially. Tencent owns an undisclosed share in Discord and just generally seems like a bad choice of communication platform if you want to look better than doge
Discord works by clicking a button - you get to signup, you fill in your email, bam you're on the Discord channel in your browser. Zero friction, nothing new to learn for the user.
IRC on the other hand....
Discord is a walled garden that isn’t searchable from outside.
It’s a major contributor to the fragmentation of the internet into information black holes along with the other “social” media.
It’s the wrong tool to organize an effort to maintain an open access repository of information.
I have never had that experience with discord, despite already having an account. It's truly mysterious what the actual link --> my account has the discord path should be.
I find IRC much easier, but I haven't used it in about 15 years.
Discord basically phased out in browser. There is no link to it only the link to get the 500 MB behemoth app. If you manage to open web ui because it is in your browser history it hits you with a captcha and email verification code every time. Etc
... has been around and worked perfectly for over three decades?
... does not even ask for your email?
Tangentially I noticed the Bureau For Justice Statistics site was offline for a couple of days.. seems to be back now.
This was following the deletion of the NLEAD database
Current administration doing absolutely everything they can to destroy confidence in federal government. All of this so tho oligarchs can get their tax cuts and pave the way for a fully privatized nation.
Every day seems like the worst day so far. 47 more months to go. Sure would be nice if we had more than one branch of government.
> to destroy confidence in federal government
not only domestic unfortunately. For 3 years Russian trolls were posting everywhere that US will abandon Ukraine like it happened with Afghanistan and Iraq, and today Trump stopped all the military aid to Ukraine, even the stuff that was already in Poland moving toward the Ukrainian border.
Is Trump even allowed to do that? Didn't he get impeached for basically the same thing in his last term?
Impeached but not convicted. Like getting convicted and receiving zero sentence: it has no consequences and therefore might as well not have happened.
He knows this senate wouldn't come close to convicting. Heck, this house wouldn't even impeach.
Trump tomorrow is giving a speech in Congress and we can bet how loud - Very Loud, Very Very Loud or We Love You Ecstatically, Our King - he will be applauded to.
If the democrats get enough votes in the house and senate, I imagine they’ll swiftly kick him and hopefully vance out.
For that to happen, the US economy will need to collapse (likely, given the tariffs, dismantling of governments, alienation of all trade partners, and multiple incoming pandemics, including measles, bird flu and ebola).
However, the US will have to be a democracy in 12-24 months, and all of Trump’s actions suggest he thinks that’s unlikely.
Not sure why this got downvoted, this is stating two clearly correct premises. The only people who will vote against Trump are in the Democratic Party, and the only way they'll get enough representatives into power is with economic collapse. Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation. Dismantling the institutions and installing autocracy is not something that causes public sentiment to change.
> Inflation is the only thing voters care about to a very accurate first approximation.
And yet there always seems to be a stark contrast between what conservatives state they voted for versus what studies bear out in that regard. Basically every election in my politically aware history has come down to "the economy" and yet conservatives can see all time highs across many metrics and decry something as a "bad economy" and immediately switch positions as soon as their guy is elected even though nothing material has changed around the economy. Just like it was never about the price of eggs in the latest election. The price of eggs is just the most politically correct thing they could latch onto to justify their votes. All talk of egg prices went silent despite the price of eggs continuing to rise. It's almost like something else was the primary issue all along.
https://theintercept.com/2018/09/18/2016-election-race-class...
Metrics are averages that obscure the heterogeneity of base reality. About 100 million Americans own no significant assets. Metrics that show stonks going up is not lived by these people. They hold some fiat which deteriorated in value and a real wage which has declined because housing inflation is a larger proportion of their expenditure than what the CPI basket has weighted. Housing ownership is further out of reach than ever, while inequality has ballooned because asset owners doubled their wealth due to asset price inflation.
So it is accurate that for this subset of people, inflation has been destructive, in an absolute sense but especially in a relative sense. And it's this subset of people that broke for Trump, educational polarization is at an all time high and the racial purity of Trump's base eroded with Hispanics entering the coalition.
The same people will vote for radical conservatives after inflation and prices rises again. And they won't vote for democrats no matter well democrats run the economy.
It is not inflation. Inflation is something they latch on when convenient.
Elections happen at the margins. Most Trump voters are Trump voters regardless of anything. But inflation is what moves the marginal vote. It's what motivates higher turnout on one side vs the other, for example.
Dems performed well among the people that benefited from inflation -- boomers who owned homes and the college educated who own assets.
Republicans performed well among the people who were harmed the most by it. Hispanics, and those without college degrees.
Incumbents everywhere, left or right wing, are falling because of inflation.
No one is going to stop him, and everyone keeps complying, so yes he is allowed to do that.
He got impeached for withholding military aid to force the Ukrainian government to investigate his political opponent, but that's not a factor in this case.
Broadly speaking, Trump claims that he has the power to tell any executive agency to not do anything under the "unitary executive" theory. Whether this holds or not is up to the courts to determine, but unless and until there is a stay, the executive agencies have to follow the EO.
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Wimps? They are consenting adults
I don't understand how "consenting adults" implies they aren't "wimps". You can consent to boot licking.
Some people lick the boot by force, some do it because they like the taste of rubber. Do not confuse the two, they are VERY different.
Many Republican legislators are in fact being coerced with threats of violence.
https://www.vox.com/23899688/2024-election-republican-primar...
https://dailyboulder.com/lifelong-republican-receiving-death...
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/27/republicans-...
> “You need to do your fucking job right because other people from other states are watching your ass,” the man allegedly said in a voicemail. “You fucking renege on this deal or give them any more troubles, your ass will never make it to your next little board meeting.”
German election official with about one and a half decades of experience here: That's helluvalot disturbing. This is mafia mentality, this is shit I'd expect out of Belarus (or Russia proper), not out of the US. At that point it might be a valid statement to say that China has fairer elections - they only got one party but at least to common knowledge at least the officials aren't getting direct death threats!
How can y'all expect fair elections to happen when there will be no one left to count, record and certify the votes and results?
Interesting question. Why didn’t America fail right off the bat with this problem? What has changed that this type of behavior is becoming increasingly common?
The gain of cowardice and/or implicit official approval by not reflexively cracking down on them.
In the 18th to 19th century American administrations weren't squeamish to outright use the army to gun down riots or insurrections. Influenced perhaps by the very literal "reading of the riot act" as an official threat to shoot entire crowds as an accepted thing. Attempt death threats to public officials then and the only question was if you would be shot or hanged for doing so. The appetite for that has been lost over time, perhaps related to Kent State and Tienanmen Square changing the optics from 'strong authority restoring order' to 'depraved psychopathic tyrannical government'.
Not that we need that level of violence, all that is really needed to is to give the Secret Service standard of treatment for death threats to the president handed down to all other lesser officials. If being tracked down and arrested was an absolute certainty instead of something they could think they could get away with.
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Godwin's Law does not let up.
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It's absolutely abhorrent that you think combating the effects of racism in the healthcare system is political. Do you also believe that about sexism in the healthcare system?
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Correctly identifying the systemic causes of poor health outcomes among certain populations isn’t politics.
Parent could have also linked to these statistics on COVID cases and deaths, by ethnicity, if they wanted science:
https://archive.cdc.gov/#/details?url=https://www.cdc.gov/co...
Yes, it is. It's also science, and also a good thing, but that doesn't stop it from being politics.
> Politics (from Ancient Greek πολιτικά (politiká) 'affairs of the cities') is the set of activities that are associated with making decisions in groups, or other forms of power relations among individuals, such as the distribution of status or resources. — Wikipedia
by that logic absolutely everything about government is politics, and therefore the word is not very useful. why do you keep using it? is it possible you're trying to lean on some implications of using the word but you haven't been brave enough to state them outright?
Can you define what "politics" is?
I think viewing racism as a public health problem is valid. Would you be critical of the CDC talking about poverty’s effect on health? Lots of doctors really should be able to prescribe non-drug interventions to provide safe housing and low stress environments to their patients. Many health issues aren’t caused by bodily infections or failures. They’re caused by policy and society. Thus the CDC should be free to discuss politics when they think it’s the right solution to a disease.
Where does that slippery slope end?
I don't know if it's really a problem. Congress and the POTUS can always ignore a department's political requests. If there were to be guardrails they should involve a judge declaring the political statements aren't relevant to the department's mission.
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Examples of websites that were removed are available starting on page 6 of this memorandum from the court case [edited to say these are examples of what was removed, it's not a complete list]: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/6/1/doctors-fo...
It's about 6 pages so I won't copy it here, but this was guidance for doctors on issues like HIV prevention, contraception, fertility, and other issues, as well as datasets on which localities are most vulnerable due to social and environmental factors, and guidance on recruiting diverse populations for clinical trials.
Thank you. This is exactly what the site should have listed in its about page. Assuming it's still current.
The CDC website was gutted in Jan 2025 following the Trump administration’s opening salvo of executive orders. This deprived American (and global) healthcare professionals of valuable information. There has been loss of faith in the CDC and government in general as repositories of scientific literature amongst the healthcare and scientific community, which is why sites like these have popped up
Per the about page, which is linked right at the top of restoredcdc.org:
“ We are developing code to pull CDC pages which were archived by prior to January 20, 2025. Similar archives have been created by the End of Term (https://eotarchive.org) project and are hosted by the Wayback Machine (https://web.archive.org). The individual pages are archived, but links between them are broken and the pages are not easy to locate through web searches. Therefore, we will re-build the links between the pages, to create a site that can be navigated the same way the pre-January 21, 2025 CDC site. The only changes we will make on these pages is to add a header that indicates that this site is not a CDC website.”
> The CDC website was gutted in Jan 2025
I trust that this is true, but a cursory browsing through 2024 outbreaks, for example, shows the same information.
To your parent poster's point, it would be nice to have a damning example like "look at this thing that was taken down." Maybe such examples belong somewhere else, but it might help dissuade skeptics.
Please see pages 6 to 12 in this declaration from the court case for examples of what was taken down. Note that Judge Bates issued a temporary restraining order to the CDC to restore these websites, so it shouldn't look different (except that the CDC put a ridiculous disclaimer on some of the pages) https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/6/1/doctors-fo... [edit - fixed link]
Thanks. That document is four pages. Where is the "Memorandum of Law in Support of the Motion for a Restraining Order" referred to at the beginning?
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- “The Youth Risk Behavioral Surveillance System”
- “Data and Statistics” for “Adolescent and School Health”
- “The Social Vulnerability Index”
- “The Environmental Justice Index”
- “PrEP for the Prevention of HIV Infection in the U.S.: 2021 Guideline Summary”
- “HIV Monitoring”
- “Getting Tested for HIV”
- “National ART Surveillance System (NASS)”
- “CDC Contraceptive Guidance for Health Care Providers”
- FDA webpages on “Study of Sex Differences in the Clinical Evaluation of Medical Products”
- “Diversity Action Plans to Improve Enrollment of Participants from Underrepresented Populations in Clinical Studies”
[1]: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.277...
I think it's within Document 6 (Feb 6)
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69608613/doctors-for-am...
Apologies. I've fixed the link.
What's missing from their about page is any detail that would support these claims. A list of changed and deleted pages would be a good start, so we could at least judge for ourselves.
Also how do we know we can trust whoever is running this site? Compared to the Internet Archive which has a long track record of reliably mirroring any page requested or crawled.
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The first amendment prevents the government from abridging the right for people to assemble and peacefully protest. Given that there's a public safety concern, one could argue there's nuance here, but you can hardly blame them for taking the safe route and avoiding violating our constitutional rights, and it's doubtful there was enough precedent for the CDC to feel comfortable taking the legal risk.
It might have been a 1A issue if CDC straight out prohibited the protests, but the baseline expectation was for people who introduced and/or supported the mask mandates to at least clearly say that such large gatherings should be avoided for the sake of containing COVID.
Instead, we've heard things like, “In this moment the public health risks of not protesting to demand an end to systemic racism greatly exceed the harms of the virus.”
(FWIW I'm pretty far left and I think that COVID restrictions broadly made sense. I also believe that the protests had valid causes and would be perfectly reasonable if not for that whole ongoing epidemic thing.)
Based on your first sentence I thought you were going to talk about the government shutting down church services, which was a talking point on the other side. I think in either case, the first amendment would allow for the government to impose safety restrictions. (Could you, for example, use the first amendment to stop your church from getting shut down due to building code violations?)
However, to the point about credibility among conservatives, even some drive-in Church services were shut down: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2020/08/08/cor...
I think if crowded outdoor marches were deemed safe, a drive-in church service should have as well.
not just conservatives, people who decided we can afford to pay attention and apply critical thinking also lost faith in anything where any combination of 2 or more of the following intersect: corporate profits / medicine / government / politics
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HN doesn’t like reasonable questions in general. Jeff Geerling once got on the wrong side of HN moderation (falsely accused of spamming); you should see the hate for HN in the comments on his post about it. Many choice words, increasingly completely deserved.
https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2022/i-almost-got-banned-h...
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https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills.
This is such a cliche, people have been saying it for almost two decades at this point.
Nonsense, even Reddit says this place is full of toxicity beyond themselves. And that was five years ago.
https://www.reddit.com/r/devops/comments/diduoy/hacker_news_...
does hackernews sell "grassroots support" the same way reddit does? almost seems like it
Probably. It’s public knowledge that all Y Combinator alumni get a special indicator, and can recognize each other on here, but nobody else is allowed to know who they are. For all you know, that post which was downvoted to oblivion, was solely because it upset five of the insiders, who are also the five replies calling you stupid.
Five? the link in the guidelines saying not to do that date back to the site's inception in the aughts
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