kazinator 17 hours ago

I suspect that is because people's moral responsibility has a large component of "who is on the hook for this". Nothing stirs moral sensibility better than being solely responsible and easily identified.

Those whose moral sense is dulled when they follow orders arguably don't actually have a genuine sense of moral responsibility beyond evading blame.

  • PaulHoule 15 hours ago

    There is more than one way to come to the same moral conclusion

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Kohlberg's_stages_of_...

    Recently somebody asked "What do you think about the ethics of lying on your resume?" and my answer was "You'll get fired if you get caught" which I think is a good answer which should be convincing to most people even if it doesn't represent the highest level of ethics.

    • kazinator 2 hours ago

      Mostly, you will be caught only because of some issues in your work which casts into doubt what you claimed on the resume.

      People get caught before getting the job. "25 years of systems programming experience; cannot diagram a linked list insertion with just boxes and arrows (no code).

    • gsf_emergency_2 10 hours ago

      How shall we steelman the idea that monarchism (as argued by de Maistre) is the best foil for syndicalo-technocratism ?

      >Despite his preference for monarchy, Maistre acknowledged that republics could be the superior form of government, depending on the situation and the people. Maistre also defended the government of the United States because its people were heirs to the democratic spirit of Great Britain, which he felt France lacked.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Claude_de_Saint-Martin#W...

      >Saint-Martin taught that humanity possesses a faculty that is superior to the rational sense of morality, and that it is by this faculty that we receive knowledge of God.

      (I oughta have declared it was a brotherhood[0] of functional Sz that S-M was part of-- that would exclude full blown ScZs)

      [0] if I had to guess, it's related to mitochondrial DNA, like autism

      • PaulHoule 14 minutes ago

        That guy’s ideal form of government seems like it would lead to

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade

        My take is that solar economy monarchies had poor state capacity although it’s hard to make categorical statements because they cover such a wide range of times and times. There was not a formalized conception of individual rights for the masses so the state did not enforce that. Various sorts of kayfabe were in effect, such as the Japanese emperor, allegedly descended from the gods, being under the thumb of the Tokugawa shogunate. The Tokogawas made shows of ruthlessness which, in the long term, turned into a bluff. Behind the mask of absolutism that kind of state may actually require the consent of the daimyo class, who mainly want impunity over their own domains. Servants of the emperor in China would need to work with illegal folk religionists in the hinterland if they wanted to get anything done. We think of Rome as a pinnacle of state capacity but it evolved that capacity as a republic.