Its not about the technicalities of whether someone got deported or not, its about detaining a green card holder like Jemmy Jimenez Rosa in an illegal fashion. Its about detaining scores of tourists for bullshit reasons, when they're entirely willing and able to leave the country, hiding them across a range of detention centres so their friends, families and lawyers can't find them and preventing their access to the legal system. Its tyranny, they're not interested in justice, they're chasing targets for bonuses, they're trying to hit numbers for headlines, or maybe even for prison kickbacks as most of the holding cells are privately run.
The founding fathers of the US cared about tyranny, about the rights of people. Thomas Paine himself believed in "natural law", a set of rights that were natural for people to have and the state came _second_ to those natural laws.
Remember that the USA was created in counter to a European norm at that time where people's rights were systemically stamped upon by a ruling elite. Its not about citing evidence or giving statistics, its about believing that humanity itself has rights and a government needs to follow specific rules in order to curtail those rights that respect the natural rights of people. How ICE are operating is not American and its the polar opposite of patriotic.
Right now, ICE can bowl up to anyone on the street wearing masks, not identify themselves and bundle them into a van and take them to an undisclosed location for weeks, if not months with zero recourse. You don't need statistics to understand that's tyranny.
> Its not about the technicalities of whether someone got deported or not, its about detaining a green card holder like Jemmy Jimenez Rosa in an illegal fashion.
As far as I'm aware, there is no ruling that the detention of Jemmy Jimenez Rosa was illegal.
> Its not about citing evidence or giving statistics,
If someone claims there is a systemic infringement of constitutional rights, evidence is the only thing that can back the claim up.
> Right now, ICE can bowl up to anyone on the street wearing masks, not identify themselves and bundle them into a van and take them to an undisclosed location for weeks, if not months with zero recourse.
Why could they do that right now and not 12 months ago also? Has the law changed?
Sharareh Moghadam, Ernesto Toledo, Dale Heath, Muhammad Zahid Chaudhry, Sonny Lasquite, Luis Alberto Reyes, Fatima El-Hassan, Carlos Mendez, Anika Patel.
All green card holders, all detained by ICE in 2025. Lets return to Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. The "legality" of her detention was a cannabis charge from over twenty years ago in a state that legalised cannabis in 2016. On top of that she had been officially pardoned for that offense by the state in 2024. Explain to me, how the cruelty isn't the point on that one.
> If someone claims there is a systemic infringement of constitutional rights, evidence is the only thing that can back the claim up.
hard disagree, this conversation is philisophical, as demonstrated by your dismissal of the case of Jemmy Jimenez Rosa. Anything I present, you will find cause to wave away. Its the "cause" that divides us here, its belief, not facts.
> Why could they do that right now and not 12 months ago also? Has the law changed?
Because they now have targets, really aggressive ones, ones designed to encourage them to lock people up first and ask questions a lot later. You don't have to dig too hard to see how the current administration are aggressively using ICE to enforce their policy aims. This also happened in 2016-2020. The extra $83 BILLION allocated to ICE in the "big beautiful bill" this year also demonstrates the extreme difference in how ICE is used between the different governments, I'm baffled how this point is even remotely contentious.
Seriously tho, the framing of your arguments and complete blindness to the alternative perspective has me concerned. Are you just fucking with me, or are you entirely insultated from these competing perspectives?