When I was primarily using Python, I didn't really "get" Mise. Uh, that's what we have uv for! But it really shines when using things like Node where you want a specific version in each directory, and also want common entrypoints like `mise build` or `mise test` in every repo, regardless of its language(s).
Don't get me wrong: I also adore Just as a task runner. It's what got me off of Make, which is incredibly powerful but somewhat lacking in the DevEx department to say the least. It's probably more "powerful" than Mise's tasks. However, Mise's combination of really good — not astounding, but really good — task runners plus all the tool management stuff is unbeatable for the things I work on.
The biggest jump was from Make -> Just. Just -> Mise was minor in comparison, although enough to persuade me.
Just has a lot of UI/UX improvements over Make, like a way to list available recipes, convenient ways to define command-line parameters to recipes, consistent and easy syntax, and a whole lot of predefined functions and variables to cover common use cases like finding the number of CPUs on the current system, manipulate strings, etc. It doesn't do things that Make can't do, because Make can do anything a shell script can if you don't mind wrestling it into submission. It just does those things much more easily.
But it still has a few warts. Recipes look a lot like a shell script, but they're evaluated separately line-by-line, so you can't set a variable on one line and then read it in another. There are workarounds, but that's the default behavior. And a lot of the time when I'd want a task runner, I also want an environment manager (like uv or cargo or node/npm), so bundling those together matches my workflow better than managing those separately.
I have zero bad to say about Just. It's freaking awesome. If Mise disappeared, I'd go back to using Just. I just prefer Mise right now.
Taskfile is so much better. mise is what actually got me to start switching everything to Taskfile instead of Makefile as mise easily handles bootstrapping Taskfile and anything else you would need.
Had been using make for simple tasks for ~8 years and just got tired of how limiting it is.
Yeah I love just, but getting the correct environment in a just task can be messy, even loading a virtualenv is annoying. I've also switched to mise for this reason
I'm really bullish on mise as a tool. It's quickly become one of my goto tools when starting a new project. Being able to have one config file to manage tools (node, python, rust, go, etc) as well as a simple makefile replacement makes it incredibly convenient. I pretty much always setup a `postinstall` hook so all someone has to do is `mise install` one of my projects and they'll get all the correct tool versions as well as having dependencies installed (like running `npm install`) automatically.
I feel it's significantly more practical than something like nix which feels like it has a steep learning curve.
Having started with Mise, and now being primarily a Nix user — Mise still has the edge for what it does. It supports pinning exact versions of many more languages than devenv does. When devenv doesn't support pinning the version you need, it's straight back to the pain and complexity of overlays and overrides and so on.
I’ve been using devenv for about 6 months now. I’ve started new projects with it and migrated old ones to use it as well. I’ve also set up my org’s repositories with it. Onboarding devs to projects is simple. All everyone needs on their local machine is git, nix, and devenv. Bonus points for using it with direnv for automatic shell activation when you enter a directory. Direnv allows for IDE integrations as well for project dependencies.
Any hands on experience using it? I’ve looked at both this and devenv but have some level of reluctance to go with an opinionated wrapper like these as I feel like the second you need to do anything outside of the bounds of what they allow you to do you’re back in regular Nix land anyway
Sounds very interesting - I've been using just & docker (-compose) to manage my monorepo projects after a short frustrating stint with moon&proto. I like the simplicity of just, but onboarding can still be cumbersome, especially across platforms.
yes! I set up a new project with mise. It makes it so much easier for new people to get started without having to do a bunch of manual steps. Awesome tool.
Not caching tasks is kind of a huge missing feature. Once you can describe a graph of tasks with dependencies, not running already clean dependencies is how you make that tractable for repeated runs even in moderate-sized monorepos.
I went looking for an issue to see if they're planning it, but the Mise repo doesn't have issues enabled? And no discussion on the README about why they don't. That doesn't inspire confidence.
If you're in a single-language npm monorepo, check out Wireit. It extends plain npm scripts to be able to have dependencies and caching (local and GitHub actions). It also has a unique service type of script for long-running tasks that lets you rebuild dependencies and no restart services.
yeah artifact caching is the obvious interpretation of caching when you're used to being compared to bazel, but the conversation was conflating "cache artifacts" and "cache should-run?" features.
> Remote task caching - turbopack, moonrepo, and many others are trying to solve this (major) problem. mise's task runner will likely always just be a simple convenience around executing scripts.
> I went looking for an issue to see if they're planning it, but the Mise repo doesn't have issues enabled? And no discussion on the README about why they don't. That doesn't inspire confidence.
I'm not sure when/why the issues were turned off. That's...surprising.
There used to be an issue that said the maintainers preferred discussions over issues. I'd link to it but it's a 404 now.
Regarding confidence: I've used the project for a couple years now. I have a ton of confidence in it and I recommend it to everyone. While preferring discussions to issues is uncommon, the release frequency and utility of mise speak for itself. Take the time to look around the discussions and/or just use it. :)
You are asking mise to become a build system like bazel.
I suppose it already is one, in a sense. Caching is a useful feature but mise needs to guard against increasing complexity.
Perhaps it could integrate with builds tools.
Speaking of task caching, this is what Mint/RWX does really great, just as you described - graph of dependencies and running only what has changed since the runs. Really helps speed up CI/CD tasks and lower the costs.
Mise seems pretty cool, but the thing that makes me reluctant to get on board now (current asdf user) is that it seems to want to manage too much. Especially with regard to using PATH munging.
I've had substantial frustration with multiple tools all trying to redo my PATH for me, usually to make themselves the first thing. It's to the point where I decided to give up and hard-code my PATH in my .zprofile and get rid of all of the various tools' init scripts so that I at least can clearly see and control which things are in which order and not having a bunch of scripts trying to rewrite it all the time all with slightly different algorithms.
Maybe it would work if mise could manage all "tools" (various programming languages) as well as "tools" (actual CLI applications written in one of the languages and usually installed with that languages manager, like `cargo install`, `go install`, `uv tool install`, etc), though then it seems like it might be a pain to switch over to.
> I've had substantial frustration with multiple tools all trying to redo my PATH for me, usually to make themselves the first thing.
it doesn't do this, you can even use shims with mise if you really want to
> Maybe it would work if mise could manage all "tools" (various programming languages) as well as "tools" (actual CLI applications written in one of the languages and usually installed with that languages manager, like `cargo install`, `go install`, `uv tool install`, etc), though then it seems like it might be a pain to switch over to.
I recently moved from just to mise. Just is great but it is only a command runner and I needed mise other features and I'm glad I made the switch. I just wish docs would improve a little in structure and explanation of usecases/history while drawing comparison with other things like nix,docker etc as a newbie it helps to know the why like:
"we often need to run programs as side effect" => "scripts" => "task runner" => "make/just" => "mise"
If you are a stickler about automation, easily repeatable system state, and being able to bootstrap new projects without having to eff around with the crap show of Ruby/Python/Node envs and how every person likes to use different tools for setting those up, or even just making it simple to have repeatable envs for go and rust, its great. Especially because you can do it without getting Docker/containerd involved.
Works great for getting a basic repeatable CI type build up and running without having to get CI or a big build system involved. Those are the right tools in the right situations, but for small teams or personal projects, I'm not going through the hassle and JVM dependencies of Bazel, Gradle, etc.
I also use it to manage my local system tools in my dotfiles (in combination with chezmoi).
I'm really excited about this. I think it blends the both worlds of simple task runners like just/taskfile while also having a lot of the power of tools like bazel/buck2. Excited to hear about what people build!
I use mise and mostly like it. It has simplified my workflow for managing environments. But I don't need a task runner. `Make` and `just` already fulfill that purpose for me. I haven't used them in a monorepo, but both support importing and extending task/recipe files, so presumably it's possible to set them up appropriately. Maybe the UX wouldn't be as polished as a tool built for that use case, but I like my tools to "do one thing well". mise already does quite a lot as an environment manager, and I'd prefer it to remain focused on those problems.
If you want to get a single entry point into your repo's task, also consider my tool: dela[0]. It scans a variety of task file definitions like pyproject.toml, package.json, makefile, etc and makes them available on the cli via the bare name of the task. It has been very convenient for me so far on diverse repos, and the best part is that I didn't have to convince anyone else working on the repos to adjust the repos structure.
Dela doesn't currently support mise as a source of tasks, but I will happily implement it if there is demand. Currently [1] I saw mise use on 94 out of 100,000 most starred github repos.
Thank you for allowing this moment of self promotion.
Sounds great but does it support listing all tasks?
Whenever I enter a repository for a node project the first thing I do is "npm run" to list the scripts. When I enter a repository with a Makefile I look at it. If I see make targets where both the target and dependencies are variables I exit the repository again real quick though.
This is awesome! Just the other day I was thinking it would be nice if mise had something like this.
Mise has been great for me. What I like most is the ability to install tools globally with the npm, go and cargo backends, e.g. "mise use -g npm:prettier".
It's a simple thing but before, when I had to use something like nvm, I always had to remember which of the node versions I had installed global packages into.
I did recently have an issue where installing the newest node version actually installed the second newest one but that's a small thing.
Mise is a hard sell for me when I can have pure Nix-shells. However, I can see this gaining wider adoption since it's learning curve is so much lower than Nix.
If you think of it more of in the context of making it easy for people other than you and your bespoke machine to bootstrap a project, that's where it really shines. The toml config is very simple for people to understand.
I use it because I want people to be able to get projects up and running quickly without having to comb through an outdated README, trying to deal with all of the different ways people like to install and use non-compiled languages, etc. Managing anything Node/Ruby/Python is all annoying.
For quite some time, I have gathered this set of Rust CLI tasks that are exactly the same. I have used them as template generators for cargo-generate. This became a problem recently when I was writing a monorepo that had mixed projects (Rust server, Svelte Frontend, and Terraform deployment). This comes at just the right time for me to utilize this without going insane.
Also, I had a not-so-great experience with other builders/managers, including lerna so I love this.
@jdxcode, how long before I can replace Emacs with mise?
I’m not super familiar with moon, but I think it’d be fair to say mise started out solving the tool problem where moon solved the build problem first. I’d expect both to be more fleshed out than the other in both departments.
You could probably use mise tools for moon builds, or proto with mise tasks too if you wanted to.
I've used bazel for about 10 years, all in small orgs. Right now, single digit team.
I don't think there exists a better solution for a project mixing Java and C/C++ than Bazel. The new module system for bazel has matured a lot. As an example, it's trivial to add boringssl and access it from Java.
This is fair. mise (by design) does nothing to help with that sort of thing. It's also definitely designed for languages outside C/C++, and to a lesser degree Java.
mise tasks are basically just fancy bash scripts though, so I could totally see a setup that uses mise tasks/tools for node/js/ruby and dispatches to other tools for building Java and C/C++.
I was a bit slow to hop on mise because it took me while understand it (Likely because I entered thinking of it as a direnv replacement with more features).
It especially makes life behind corporate barbed wires easier for me (YMMV).
Nice to hear this input... My first glance, I didn't really notice that Windows was supported, and it looks like there's support for dotnet as well... so may give it a try in the near future.
My work env is pretty locked down as well... I've mostly relied on just using Deno+TS for shell scripts since it's relatively consistent for me across work and personal environments and the tooling can run from a user install. Though not using it to manage my tooling itself for work projects.
To some extent, yes, but you can have mise defer to uv for the python side. I have mise using uv, npm, clojure, and java, and it defers to all their packaging systems.
But it also allows me to control their versions in one spot, and present a unified task interface and dependency setup. E.g., I can make a testing task that runs playwright, but will depend on a python/java build task first.
Isn't running tasks in various folders kinda low hanging fruit for monorepo tasks? I've wanted a language/CI agnostic `monorepo-build-tool` build tool for a while, and getting something that allows for `monorepo-build-tool run-affected -- script/test` was one prompt to an LLM.
The bigger problem is caching and determining which projects need to be run when calling `run-affected`.
Kind of interesting seeing mise grow and grow. Others have noted they encountered it first as a direnv replacement. At my last job it was an asdf tool-installer replacement. It's also a task and now mono-repo task runner.
It feels a little fragile to me to try to tackle so many concerns: if folks start relying on mise for more capabilities and one of them falls short, isn't as good as it could be, that could be a big hurt. There's definitely a nice conceptual win to having an all in one tool, but scoping up ambition feels risky.
Especially with task running, it feels like there's really so many very specific expert concerns that come into play. Being able to have a task graph & understanding the minimum work needed, being able to run only downstream tasks is a pretty important need, and that really gets into programming language specific views of what's happening. The idea of having something generic & so all is tempting but it feels impossible to get satisfactory results here.
Beyond Mise specifically, it's just interesting seeing the continuum between specific & multi-purpose tool, and seeing how software tends to scope itself up.
I'd counter that I actively don't want those more powerful features. Like, I get why anyone would want them, but right now Mise is "knowable". I can sit down with its doc site and figure out any of its features without building a strong mental model of their underlying implementation. And that also means my coworkers aren't as likely to abuse and twist it into the kinds of things people have used tools like Make for.
I would vastly rather have Mise shell out to Make etc for more complex DAG stuff. Those tools already exist and are good at their own specialties. Mise doesn't need to reinvent everything.
But I do think the new monorepo tasks are very on-brand for it. They don't seem so much as to add deep functionality as to provide a convention for finding and running other Mise files in a repo.
> But I do think the new monorepo tasks are very on-brand for it. They don't seem so much as to add deep functionality as to provide a convention for finding and running other Mise files in a repo.
yeah, "fancy bash scripts" is a good way to think about tasks
Mise has become almost indispensable for me within just a few months, I've rebuilt so much of our tooling around it. If anyone else finds it as integral to their work I'd like to encourage them to also sponsor it.
This is beautiful! Thank you so much!
When I was primarily using Python, I didn't really "get" Mise. Uh, that's what we have uv for! But it really shines when using things like Node where you want a specific version in each directory, and also want common entrypoints like `mise build` or `mise test` in every repo, regardless of its language(s).
Don't get me wrong: I also adore Just as a task runner. It's what got me off of Make, which is incredibly powerful but somewhat lacking in the DevEx department to say the least. It's probably more "powerful" than Mise's tasks. However, Mise's combination of really good — not astounding, but really good — task runners plus all the tool management stuff is unbeatable for the things I work on.
Just curious, as I am a fan of simple Makefiles, what benefits did you encounter moving from Make -> Just -> Mise?
The biggest jump was from Make -> Just. Just -> Mise was minor in comparison, although enough to persuade me.
Just has a lot of UI/UX improvements over Make, like a way to list available recipes, convenient ways to define command-line parameters to recipes, consistent and easy syntax, and a whole lot of predefined functions and variables to cover common use cases like finding the number of CPUs on the current system, manipulate strings, etc. It doesn't do things that Make can't do, because Make can do anything a shell script can if you don't mind wrestling it into submission. It just does those things much more easily.
But it still has a few warts. Recipes look a lot like a shell script, but they're evaluated separately line-by-line, so you can't set a variable on one line and then read it in another. There are workarounds, but that's the default behavior. And a lot of the time when I'd want a task runner, I also want an environment manager (like uv or cargo or node/npm), so bundling those together matches my workflow better than managing those separately.
I have zero bad to say about Just. It's freaking awesome. If Mise disappeared, I'd go back to using Just. I just prefer Mise right now.
I always thought the idea of Makefiles is great, but the language is terrible and completely unintuitive to understand and learn.
Taskfile is so much better. mise is what actually got me to start switching everything to Taskfile instead of Makefile as mise easily handles bootstrapping Taskfile and anything else you would need.
Had been using make for simple tasks for ~8 years and just got tired of how limiting it is.
Could you explain/share quickly how you combine mise and Taskfile?
Yeah I love just, but getting the correct environment in a just task can be messy, even loading a virtualenv is annoying. I've also switched to mise for this reason
I'm really bullish on mise as a tool. It's quickly become one of my goto tools when starting a new project. Being able to have one config file to manage tools (node, python, rust, go, etc) as well as a simple makefile replacement makes it incredibly convenient. I pretty much always setup a `postinstall` hook so all someone has to do is `mise install` one of my projects and they'll get all the correct tool versions as well as having dependencies installed (like running `npm install`) automatically.
I feel it's significantly more practical than something like nix which feels like it has a steep learning curve.
There's a tool that makes the Nix way a lot more approachable: https://devenv.sh/
e.g. `languages.rust.enable = true` and you're off to the races. You can add scripts, tasks, other packages, etc
Having started with Mise, and now being primarily a Nix user — Mise still has the edge for what it does. It supports pinning exact versions of many more languages than devenv does. When devenv doesn't support pinning the version you need, it's straight back to the pain and complexity of overlays and overrides and so on.
I’ve been using devenv for about 6 months now. I’ve started new projects with it and migrated old ones to use it as well. I’ve also set up my org’s repositories with it. Onboarding devs to projects is simple. All everyone needs on their local machine is git, nix, and devenv. Bonus points for using it with direnv for automatic shell activation when you enter a directory. Direnv allows for IDE integrations as well for project dependencies.
Another Nix based alternative.. https://flox.dev/
Any hands on experience using it? I’ve looked at both this and devenv but have some level of reluctance to go with an opinionated wrapper like these as I feel like the second you need to do anything outside of the bounds of what they allow you to do you’re back in regular Nix land anyway
Would you be willing to share an example setup?
Sounds very interesting - I've been using just & docker (-compose) to manage my monorepo projects after a short frustrating stint with moon&proto. I like the simplicity of just, but onboarding can still be cumbersome, especially across platforms.
yes! I set up a new project with mise. It makes it so much easier for new people to get started without having to do a bunch of manual steps. Awesome tool.
A mise postinstall hook?
What do you put in it?
An example from one of our monorepo's ansible directories:
So following a `mise install`, the user also gets all the needed python packages installed via uv, and also all the galaxy roles/collections installedIn the mise.toml
https://mise.jdx.dev/hooks.html
Not caching tasks is kind of a huge missing feature. Once you can describe a graph of tasks with dependencies, not running already clean dependencies is how you make that tractable for repeated runs even in moderate-sized monorepos.
I went looking for an issue to see if they're planning it, but the Mise repo doesn't have issues enabled? And no discussion on the README about why they don't. That doesn't inspire confidence.
If you're in a single-language npm monorepo, check out Wireit. It extends plain npm scripts to be able to have dependencies and caching (local and GitHub actions). It also has a unique service type of script for long-running tasks that lets you rebuild dependencies and no restart services.
https://github.com/google/wireit/
Mise does do local-only Make-similar task caching, if you specify sources and outputs: https://mise.jdx.dev/tasks/task-configuration.html#sources
If you specify sources but not "outputs" then mise will auto-track whether sources have been modified.
I requested the auto-track feature to speed up Docker builds a pretty long time ago, and it's been fantastic.
This is good to know! Seeing it say in the tool comparison that it doesn't support caching is a bit vague. I assumed that mean local caching too.
Ideally local and remote caching would be built on the same underlying code path.
ah I think I misinterpreted this to mean remote caching
yeah artifact caching is the obvious interpretation of caching when you're used to being compared to bazel, but the conversation was conflating "cache artifacts" and "cache should-run?" features.
I’d argue it’s mise’s indifference to project source code and library dependencies that gives it the simplicity worth using.
There’s a couple exceptions to that boundary but in general that’s where mise stops.
Turns out caching tasks is an anti-goal:
https://mise.jdx.dev/roadmap.html#anti-goals
> Remote task caching - turbopack, moonrepo, and many others are trying to solve this (major) problem. mise's task runner will likely always just be a simple convenience around executing scripts.
That's remote caching. Local caching is still very important, and I guess it does support that.
Thanks for the clarification. I don't use any tools that do remote caching so I guess I just glossed over that qualification. :o/
> I went looking for an issue to see if they're planning it, but the Mise repo doesn't have issues enabled? And no discussion on the README about why they don't. That doesn't inspire confidence.
I'm not sure when/why the issues were turned off. That's...surprising.
There used to be an issue that said the maintainers preferred discussions over issues. I'd link to it but it's a 404 now.
I've started a discussion regarding the lack of issues: https://github.com/jdx/mise/discussions/6566
Regarding confidence: I've used the project for a couple years now. I have a ton of confidence in it and I recommend it to everyone. While preferring discussions to issues is uncommon, the release frequency and utility of mise speak for itself. Take the time to look around the discussions and/or just use it. :)
You are asking mise to become a build system like bazel. I suppose it already is one, in a sense. Caching is a useful feature but mise needs to guard against increasing complexity. Perhaps it could integrate with builds tools.
Speaking of task caching, this is what Mint/RWX does really great, just as you described - graph of dependencies and running only what has changed since the runs. Really helps speed up CI/CD tasks and lower the costs.
Mise seems pretty cool, but the thing that makes me reluctant to get on board now (current asdf user) is that it seems to want to manage too much. Especially with regard to using PATH munging.
I've had substantial frustration with multiple tools all trying to redo my PATH for me, usually to make themselves the first thing. It's to the point where I decided to give up and hard-code my PATH in my .zprofile and get rid of all of the various tools' init scripts so that I at least can clearly see and control which things are in which order and not having a bunch of scripts trying to rewrite it all the time all with slightly different algorithms.
Maybe it would work if mise could manage all "tools" (various programming languages) as well as "tools" (actual CLI applications written in one of the languages and usually installed with that languages manager, like `cargo install`, `go install`, `uv tool install`, etc), though then it seems like it might be a pain to switch over to.
> I've had substantial frustration with multiple tools all trying to redo my PATH for me, usually to make themselves the first thing.
it doesn't do this, you can even use shims with mise if you really want to
> Maybe it would work if mise could manage all "tools" (various programming languages) as well as "tools" (actual CLI applications written in one of the languages and usually installed with that languages manager, like `cargo install`, `go install`, `uv tool install`, etc), though then it seems like it might be a pain to switch over to.
it does do this
can't remember why I switched from asdf to mise, but I've had no problems with it in the last few years
Startup time, maybe? I switched from pyenv to mise because it was adding significant time to my shell startup.
yeah, very likely!
I recently moved from just to mise. Just is great but it is only a command runner and I needed mise other features and I'm glad I made the switch. I just wish docs would improve a little in structure and explanation of usecases/history while drawing comparison with other things like nix,docker etc as a newbie it helps to know the why like:
"we often need to run programs as side effect" => "scripts" => "task runner" => "make/just" => "mise"
and also why not docker or nix pros/cons etc
Mise is the best.
If you are a stickler about automation, easily repeatable system state, and being able to bootstrap new projects without having to eff around with the crap show of Ruby/Python/Node envs and how every person likes to use different tools for setting those up, or even just making it simple to have repeatable envs for go and rust, its great. Especially because you can do it without getting Docker/containerd involved.
Works great for getting a basic repeatable CI type build up and running without having to get CI or a big build system involved. Those are the right tools in the right situations, but for small teams or personal projects, I'm not going through the hassle and JVM dependencies of Bazel, Gradle, etc.
I also use it to manage my local system tools in my dotfiles (in combination with chezmoi).
I'm really excited about this. I think it blends the both worlds of simple task runners like just/taskfile while also having a lot of the power of tools like bazel/buck2. Excited to hear about what people build!
I don't know, I'm torn about it.
I use mise and mostly like it. It has simplified my workflow for managing environments. But I don't need a task runner. `Make` and `just` already fulfill that purpose for me. I haven't used them in a monorepo, but both support importing and extending task/recipe files, so presumably it's possible to set them up appropriately. Maybe the UX wouldn't be as polished as a tool built for that use case, but I like my tools to "do one thing well". mise already does quite a lot as an environment manager, and I'd prefer it to remain focused on those problems.
Ah, you're the author. Thanks for all your work!
If you want to get a single entry point into your repo's task, also consider my tool: dela[0]. It scans a variety of task file definitions like pyproject.toml, package.json, makefile, etc and makes them available on the cli via the bare name of the task. It has been very convenient for me so far on diverse repos, and the best part is that I didn't have to convince anyone else working on the repos to adjust the repos structure.
Dela doesn't currently support mise as a source of tasks, but I will happily implement it if there is demand. Currently [1] I saw mise use on 94 out of 100,000 most starred github repos.
Thank you for allowing this moment of self promotion.
[0] https://github.com/aleyan/dela
[1] https://aleyan.com/blog/2025-task-runners-census/#most-used-...
Sounds great but does it support listing all tasks?
Whenever I enter a repository for a node project the first thing I do is "npm run" to list the scripts. When I enter a repository with a Makefile I look at it. If I see make targets where both the target and dependencies are variables I exit the repository again real quick though.
This is awesome! Just the other day I was thinking it would be nice if mise had something like this.
Mise has been great for me. What I like most is the ability to install tools globally with the npm, go and cargo backends, e.g. "mise use -g npm:prettier".
It's a simple thing but before, when I had to use something like nvm, I always had to remember which of the node versions I had installed global packages into.
I did recently have an issue where installing the newest node version actually installed the second newest one but that's a small thing.
Mise is a hard sell for me when I can have pure Nix-shells. However, I can see this gaining wider adoption since it's learning curve is so much lower than Nix.
If you think of it more of in the context of making it easy for people other than you and your bespoke machine to bootstrap a project, that's where it really shines. The toml config is very simple for people to understand.
I use it because I want people to be able to get projects up and running quickly without having to comb through an outdated README, trying to deal with all of the different ways people like to install and use non-compiled languages, etc. Managing anything Node/Ruby/Python is all annoying.
I tried nix-darwin for a year, eventually declared nix bankruptcy, and settled on mise.
mise does 90% of what I need, but at only 1% of the hassle.
I like the idea of nix, and the future of building software is clearly something like it... I'm just not sure it'll be nix itself.
For quite some time, I have gathered this set of Rust CLI tasks that are exactly the same. I have used them as template generators for cargo-generate. This became a problem recently when I was writing a monorepo that had mixed projects (Rust server, Svelte Frontend, and Terraform deployment). This comes at just the right time for me to utilize this without going insane.
Also, I had a not-so-great experience with other builders/managers, including lerna so I love this.
@jdxcode, how long before I can replace Emacs with mise?
I hope never! scope is big enough!
How does this compare to moon?
https://github.com/moonrepo/moon
I’m not super familiar with moon, but I think it’d be fair to say mise started out solving the tool problem where moon solved the build problem first. I’d expect both to be more fleshed out than the other in both departments.
You could probably use mise tools for moon builds, or proto with mise tasks too if you wanted to.
Can someone with both Bazel and mise experience comment on whether mise fulfils its promise of being a "sweet spot" between Bazel and anarchy?
I've used Bazel a lot and contributed to it, but don't feel like it's adoptable by engineering teams <100 in size. mise might be an option though.
I've used bazel for about 10 years, all in small orgs. Right now, single digit team.
I don't think there exists a better solution for a project mixing Java and C/C++ than Bazel. The new module system for bazel has matured a lot. As an example, it's trivial to add boringssl and access it from Java.
This is fair. mise (by design) does nothing to help with that sort of thing. It's also definitely designed for languages outside C/C++, and to a lesser degree Java.
mise tasks are basically just fancy bash scripts though, so I could totally see a setup that uses mise tasks/tools for node/js/ruby and dispatches to other tools for building Java and C/C++.
I think their comparison table is a bit incorrect:
You can totally run non-JS/TS monorepos with turborepo. (But you need an additional package.json per module.)
(Note: I'm not saying it's better or worse than this.)
I was a bit slow to hop on mise because it took me while understand it (Likely because I entered thinking of it as a direnv replacement with more features).
It especially makes life behind corporate barbed wires easier for me (YMMV).
Nice to hear this input... My first glance, I didn't really notice that Windows was supported, and it looks like there's support for dotnet as well... so may give it a try in the near future.
My work env is pretty locked down as well... I've mostly relied on just using Deno+TS for shell scripts since it's relatively consistent for me across work and personal environments and the tooling can run from a user install. Though not using it to manage my tooling itself for work projects.
As someone also behind corporate barbed wire and responsible for some build tools, I’m interested! What in particular makes life easier for you?
Does mise overlap with uv for python?
To some extent, yes, but you can have mise defer to uv for the python side. I have mise using uv, npm, clojure, and java, and it defers to all their packaging systems.
But it also allows me to control their versions in one spot, and present a unified task interface and dependency setup. E.g., I can make a testing task that runs playwright, but will depend on a python/java build task first.
Mise shines in polyglot systems.
I love mise so much and use it at $DAYJOB to manage a multi-service polyglot monorepo. Can't wait to try this.
(no offense, I'm probably missing something)
Isn't running tasks in various folders kinda low hanging fruit for monorepo tasks? I've wanted a language/CI agnostic `monorepo-build-tool` build tool for a while, and getting something that allows for `monorepo-build-tool run-affected -- script/test` was one prompt to an LLM.
The bigger problem is caching and determining which projects need to be run when calling `run-affected`.
i will just add another comment appreciating mise.
i even added some mise config lines to my global gitignore because i often use it in projects by others that don't set up mise config.
Kind of interesting seeing mise grow and grow. Others have noted they encountered it first as a direnv replacement. At my last job it was an asdf tool-installer replacement. It's also a task and now mono-repo task runner.
It feels a little fragile to me to try to tackle so many concerns: if folks start relying on mise for more capabilities and one of them falls short, isn't as good as it could be, that could be a big hurt. There's definitely a nice conceptual win to having an all in one tool, but scoping up ambition feels risky.
Especially with task running, it feels like there's really so many very specific expert concerns that come into play. Being able to have a task graph & understanding the minimum work needed, being able to run only downstream tasks is a pretty important need, and that really gets into programming language specific views of what's happening. The idea of having something generic & so all is tempting but it feels impossible to get satisfactory results here.
Beyond Mise specifically, it's just interesting seeing the continuum between specific & multi-purpose tool, and seeing how software tends to scope itself up.
I'd counter that I actively don't want those more powerful features. Like, I get why anyone would want them, but right now Mise is "knowable". I can sit down with its doc site and figure out any of its features without building a strong mental model of their underlying implementation. And that also means my coworkers aren't as likely to abuse and twist it into the kinds of things people have used tools like Make for.
I would vastly rather have Mise shell out to Make etc for more complex DAG stuff. Those tools already exist and are good at their own specialties. Mise doesn't need to reinvent everything.
But I do think the new monorepo tasks are very on-brand for it. They don't seem so much as to add deep functionality as to provide a convention for finding and running other Mise files in a repo.
> But I do think the new monorepo tasks are very on-brand for it. They don't seem so much as to add deep functionality as to provide a convention for finding and running other Mise files in a repo.
yeah, "fancy bash scripts" is a good way to think about tasks
And that's the way I like it. heart_emoji.gif
Mise has become almost indispensable for me within just a few months, I've rebuilt so much of our tooling around it. If anyone else finds it as integral to their work I'd like to encourage them to also sponsor it.