JCM9 3 hours ago

This is all a bit hyperbolic. Stopping minting pennies made sense and has precedent. There used to be half penny coins.

Also, pennies are still legal tender. Folks can take them to a bank or other venue and cash them in. They’re not “trash.”

  • spott 3 hours ago

    I think when the half penny was discontinued it had the same buying power as the dime does now or something like that.

    So this is long overdue.

  • jldugger 3 hours ago

    > Folks can take them to a bank

    FWIW my bank refuses to accept unrolled coins, long before this month's retirement of the penny.

    • analog31 3 hours ago

      One of the reasons why I changed banks. My new bank has a coin counting machine in the lobby, you throw your coins in, it consumes them, and gives you a slip that you take to the teller.

      As I understand it, coins are considered a government service. Banks and retailers pay to deal with them. Buying them from the public for face value actually saves them money.

      • ghssds 2 hours ago

        It's so easy to use coins, pennies included, in day-to-day transactions I never accumulate any. Accumulating pennies or other coins is a concept I don't understand. You can spend up to 4 pennies in any purchase you do, and if you don't can't never receive more than 4. For nickels, dimes, and quarters, the maximum is smaller.

        • analog31 25 minutes ago

          Obligatory Dr. Strangelove reference:

          *You don't think I'd go into combat with loose change in my pocket, do you?"

          But I must admit that I never formed the habit of bringing change with me when I go somewhere. So it piled up at home. The quarters were easy: They got saved for parking, laundry, etc. But I ended up with a sack of pennies that I finally cashed in at the bank.

    • JCM9 3 hours ago

      A lot of banks just have one of those coin counting machine things (like Coinstar but not Coinstar).

      Coinstar also often has zero commission options like gift cards that are an easy way to cash in extra change without paying fees.

    • pengaru 3 hours ago

      It's odd how banks have largely stopped operating change counting machines.

      In my childhood we'd hoard loose change then make a trip to the local po-dunk bank serving my neighborhood surrounded by corn fields, and even there they'd take our bucket of loose change and dump it into a counting machine for free.

      It was a game to try guess the amount we'd get in paper cash...

      Now you have to pay for this service at a grocery store using a cumbersome machine operated by Coinstar.

      • zdragnar 2 hours ago

        COVID happened. However, all three of the banks I visit regularly (over branch of a national bank, two branches of a local credit union) all have coin counting machines in the lobby, though it took awhile for them to be added back to the branches that took theirs out.

        • pengaru 6 minutes ago

          No doubt COVID kicked skimpflation into high gear, but this was already a pattern I noticed long before 2019.

          It seemed to generally coincide with the demise of retail in general, and of course the elimination of bank-teller interactions and emergence of ATM machines. All of these things are a blurry mess from my past...

    • leoh 3 hours ago

      Is that legal?

      • analog31 3 hours ago

        As I understand it, more than X dollars worth of coins is not legal tender. I learned this due to an absurd case in Detroit, where someone stole bags of coins from an armored car, got caught, and claimed their crime was not a felony because it was below the dollar limit for a felony. Of course the judge treated their request with the disdain that it deserved.

      • CGamesPlay 3 hours ago

        It seems more reasonable than the outright refusal of many businesses to accept cash at all, and plus this transaction isn't even a "debt" to which the penny would be legal tender.

  • DerekL 3 hours ago

    *precedent

    • JCM9 3 hours ago

      Thanks and fixed. Darn autocorrect.

internet2000 6 hours ago

> Many Americans—and many people who, though not American, enjoy watching from a safe distance as predictable fiascoes unfold in this theoretical superpower from week to week—find themselves now pondering one question.

This is way too much spite for an article about coins. Lord.

  • thegrim33 5 hours ago

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    • tomhow 3 hours ago

      It's not acceptable to attack fellow community members like this on HN. Critiquing the article is fine, as is flagging it if you think it's unfit for HN. But personal attacks are not OK, no matter who it is or why you think it's justifiable. Please read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them if you want to keep participating here.

      • nothrabannosir 3 hours ago

        Since you're speaking as a moderator I'd like to ask for clarification on the official position:

        Was that actually a personal attack, or was it a verifiable claim about the quantity and type of submissions by this user? Is the problem that it was labeled "propaganda", and would it have been ok without that word?

        I thought it was useful context to have a look at the submission history. There is a slew of recent [dead] submissions. At what point is it fair to call that out? Or is it about the wording?

mmooss 2 hours ago

This rounds physical currency to the nearest $0.05, effectively. Why not round everything to the nearest $0.1? The math and adjustments (changes to every printed price, etc.) would be simpler. How much for the wine? "$19.9". It seems much simpler to me, though I'm sure it's been discussed ...

Is there some item that would be problematic to round to $0.1? I suppose anything that is fractionally priced at ≤$0.05 is now would have a minimum purchase of 2. Items bought in bulk could be priced fractionally.

We already round off fractional pennies all the time, e.g. in securities market prices, tax calculations, gasoline prices, etc. That's not a problem. And any electronic purchase could be for fractional amounts - but why?

(Once upon a time, you probably could sell the idea to IT people by pointing out how much memory and bandwidth it would save.)

evanelias 2 hours ago

At minimum they're useful as makeshift pie weights when blind-baking a pie crust. After shaping the dough in the baking dish, cover it in aluminum foil and then fill it with pennies. They conduct heat well, and prevent the dough from bubbling or shrinking.

FrankWilhoit 5 hours ago

Ask {some number of} engineers: You have just been made a free gift of six thousand metric tons of zinc. What do you do with it?

frou_dh 3 hours ago

You can make really cool flooring with lots of pennies in grids.

akeck 5 hours ago

According to Marketplace.org, pennies are treasure for some businesses now because the regional Feds aren't distributing them.

https://www.marketplace.org/story/2025/11/13/businesses-face...

  • dehrmann 3 hours ago

    I've been listening to Marketplace less because of stories like this. The half cent went away, the penny went away, other countries have discontinued currencies. You keep accepting pennies and you round when people pay in cash. At some point, your register will do the rounding for you. There isn't really a story here.

    • sdenton4 3 hours ago

      The register might already do the rounding if it was designed to work in Canada, which got rid of the penny over a decade ago.

      • zdragnar 2 hours ago

        There's a bunch of regulations that need tweaking. AIUI, it's illegal to charge SNAP more than other customers. someone who paid cash and gets rounded down technically pays less than what the government got charged. It's only on the order of pennies, I don't think the law cares about that at all.

        • stephen_g 19 minutes ago

          Is that a federal law or state law? Whichever jurisdiction it is, surely you'd only need a one-clause amendment to add an exception for rounding cash transactions by up to two cents to account for the discontinuation of pennies... I just can't imagine that taking more than a few weeks to resolve, surely your political systems in the US haven't become that dysfunctional where this couldn't be fixed that quickly?

          • bdangubic 12 minutes ago

            > surely your political systems in the US haven't become that dysfunctional where this couldn't be fixed that quickly?

            In America this can be done - by 2028 or thereabouts :)

        • dehrmann 2 hours ago

          I don't buy the SNAP argument because there's already rounding when taxes are applied, and half cents are still legal tender, so you could go into a store, tell them they should have charged half a cent less, and then they'd be in a similar trivial violation of SNAP.

dehrmann 3 hours ago

Do you not just shred them and send them to a scrap metal processor?

  • puppycodes 3 hours ago

    Only pennies before 1982 are worth scrapping as they are made of copper.

    The newer pennies are not really worth the effort as they are mostly zinc.

    Ironically if they are no longer illegal to melt down (IANAL but I would think this is true?) they actually would be more worth it to scrap because of the negated risk.

    • Laremere 2 hours ago

      No law in relation to pennies has changed. The executive branch has simply took the law stating the mint should create as many pennies as necessary, and decided that the necessary amount is 0.

      The practicalities of their illegality then comes down to enforcement. Given the current executive branch's behavior related to enforcement of laws, that can mean anything from "melt them all down", to "don't do it", to "if our friends start doing it, it'll be legal, if our enemies start doing it, we'll enforce".

    • dehrmann 3 hours ago

      > The newer pennies are not really worth the effort as they are mostly zinc.

      They're still worth $1 per lb., and you have to destroy them, anyway.

      • puppycodes 3 hours ago

        It's their mix with copper I beleive that makes them less valuable than their raw value in zinc if thats what your number is based on...

        because the cost of seperation from the copper is greater than simply sourcing other materials.

        • lukevp 3 hours ago

          I read this as a joke ($1/lb because 100 pennies weighs about a pound - although online sources make it sound like it's closer to 200 pennies for a pound)

    • sdenton4 3 hours ago

      We can turn them into suntan lotion!

      • puppycodes 3 hours ago

        hahah ok actually I love that.

        I think however the problem would be the trouble in seperating the zinc from the copper, I think you would likely operate at a loss still but this is just a guess.

        • GrifMD 3 hours ago

          It's called Coppertone for a reason

xgkickt 3 hours ago

100 fuses for $1, awesome! ;-)

greekrich92 2 hours ago

The value of my wheat pennies and war pennies just went up

DoctorOW 4 hours ago

The reason the government isn't warning people or slowing the withdrawal is because nobody cares. Any amount of money they can get for recycling is better than the loss now. (though the current admin is known to "chicken out" which probably explains them preparing to spin production back up if they need to)

FridayoLeary 3 hours ago

Several points: firstly i would assume every country has a process for disposing of bad and worn out notes and coins. If not i'm sure someone could work out how to profit from recycling dead pennies in true capitalist fashion. This leads on to my second point which is when the government has time they should get around to issuing a bill removing pennies (and maybe other smaller denominations) from legal tender.

But there is a wider point which i want to discuss. How long will physical cash last? I'm very fuzzy on this but i think in some of the Asian countries it is practically an endangered species. Tax people don't like large denomination notes. And virtually no legal big transactions take place in cash. America must profit massively from the fact that in many other countries dollars are the go to black market currency but that is a very singular advantage.

joering2 5 hours ago

Supposedly it cost gov 4 cents to mint 1. Does it have to be done with zinc tho? Why not plastic or some cheap material? Although you may be able to 3D print a penny at home (just like it being made from zinc can actually stop someone), but just like with a real one, its not like you will show up at your local bank with $1 million dollar worth to deposit.

  • toast0 4 hours ago

    Zinc is the cheap material though. It replaced copper (except for the foil outer), when copper was too expensive.

    If there was a suitable and even less expensive metal, I think it might be reasonable to switch again. But if we have to rebuild coin handling to use a plastic penny, I think it's necessary to consider the costs and benefits of a vastly different material versus the costs and benefits of abandoning pennies.

  • phainopepla2 5 hours ago

    Even if they were free to mint they're still effectively worthless trash to most of us. I've been waiting for the penny to die for decades, and it would be nice if we had a functioning government that could handle these nonpartisan issues smoothly, but we haven't had anything like that in a long time, so the rip the bandaid off I say

  • dimensional_dan 3 hours ago

    The other option would be to rebase the currency such that a single penny was a meaningful unit of money again. One potential such way would be to issue new paper notes which represent the old note with a decimal place move such that $10 becomes $100. This has been done before but might not be a great idea for the USA.

    • stephen_g 15 minutes ago

      That would be a nightmare, you're basically bringing in a new currency at that point because now all cash, every bank account and every price in the whole country needs to change. That's going to be probably hundreds of thousands of times more effort and expense than phasing out pennies!

    • nocoiner 3 hours ago

      Wouldn’t the decimal place have to move in the other direction for the penny to become useful again?

rayiner 5 hours ago

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  • stephen_g 3 hours ago

    Australia's rules for how to round are summed up in four dot points here in a single page of info, with another two short paragraphs about how electronic/credit card and cheque transactions are handled (they are not rounded): https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/rounding-and-eftpos-tr...

    When the removal of one and two cent pieces actually happened in Australia (1991), all the details were distributed in a pamphlet of just four pages. That amount of information is probably about all people need, literally just a document with some guidelines!

  • toast0 4 hours ago

    Many issues probably don't need the lengthy deliberative processes that stall or delay change. But the problems with the penny have been apparent for years, maybe even decades. There was plenty of time to study the issue, observe how other economies have made similar transitions and figure out how to make it work in an orderly fashion. Instead, we have a change by executive decree, with no apparent planning. Will the mint start making pennies again in the next administration or the next year? It's certainly possible.

    In some states, there's legal uncertainty for retailers that operate without pennies. Planning and forwarning likely would have encouraged states to amend laws to provide for penniless retailers. Uniform nationwide rounding could have been an option, interstate commerce and all that.

    Some sort of plan for the pennies themselves might be nice, although maybe some sort of plan could have helped pennies circulate more, reducing the need to mint several billion pennies every year.

    • summa_tech 3 hours ago

      The issue with the lengthy deliberative process is that it provides multiple opportunities for motivated, but ultimately damaging to the public, operators to intervene. In this case, I present to you the Americans for Common Cents:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_for_Common_Cents

      They care more to keep the cent than normal Americans, who ultimately pay for its cost of manufacturing, care to get rid of it. So they'll always win a careful, deliberative process; because they'll show up for the cent _every time_ this comes up. And everyone else gets mildly shafted for no reason.

      • toast0 2 hours ago

        You just need a clever advocacy group name. Something like Making Cents of our Currency or No Noncents. Or, something along the lines of If the Mint is losing money, it doesn't make cents.

        But yes, our system is biased towards those with sustained focus. That does lead to some wrong decisions, but it's probably better than a system biased to action, or biased towards chaos.

  • altairprime 4 hours ago

    Technically, it would have been better for the government to hand a tax on gross business revenue less labor costs, in order to give the Fed a lever to lower price levels inflation and raise household spending power so that the loss of pennies was of as little significance to households as it was to the Mint. Obviously, that would have required years of unpalatable and unsexy planning work that can’t be converted into political capital, but the outcome would have been that pennies become more relevant by lower prices and/or that pennies become less relevant by higher spending power. Oh well.

    • rayiner 4 hours ago

      > Obviously, that would have required years of unpalatable and unsexy planning work that can’t be converted into political capital

      It also probably wouldn't have resulted in any actual action. The problem proponents of "unpalatable and unsexy planning work" confront is that their approach is immobilized by its own weight. Analysis, bikeshedding, and litigation destroys the ability to actually do anything.

  • ssl-3 3 hours ago

    Discontinuing the penny is obviously an important thing (otherwise, we'd have been done talking about it by now).

    It is always best that important government moves are done in public, with processes that are replete with discourse and understanding, instead of with surprises and confusion.

    Ideally, the government would had resolved the (present-day, recently-introduced, inevitable, foreseeable) conflict with SNAP benefits and come up with a single-page, large-print summary that uniformly defined how rounding at the checkout counter works in ways that regular people conducting regular transactions would be able to comprehend and follow.

    These details certainly all need to be figured out at some point, and sooner would be better than later: We should have started figuring it out years (perhaps even a decade) ago.

    Unfortunately, we did not take that path.

    Discontinuing the penny could have been a very orderly nothingburger wherein everyone (on all sides of the cash register) knew exactly what to expect, and exactly when to expect it. But but we didn't do it that way.

    So instead, we now we have an element of surprise and confusion instead of simplicity.

  • FridayoLeary 3 hours ago

    For anyone who might point out that this lack of planning may lead to incredibly minor price rises for everyone, i'll add that this can be balanced by the very minor inconvenience that will no longer exist. This is inherently unquantifiable, but as people here love pointing out that doesn't mean it's not worth something.

    • ssl-3 2 hours ago

      Without planning and the resultant guidance, we stand to be inconvenienced every time one of the customers in front of us and the cashier have differences in their ideas for how rounding works.

      (But that's OK, I guess: After all, that's just an aggregate of many millions of little inconveniences, instead of some somewhat larger inconveniences for a few people in advance. Their time is clearly more important than yours is, or mine is. All hail the chief.)