Show HN: Browser Harness – Gives LLM freedom to complete any browser task

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97 points by gregpr07 17 hours ago

Hey HN,

We got tired of browser frameworks restricting the LLM, so we removed the framework and gave the LLM maximum freedom to do whatever it's trained on. We gave the harness the ability to self correct and add new tools if the LLM wants (is pre-trained on) that.

Our Browser Use library is tens of thousands of lines of deterministic heuristics wrapping Chrome (CDP websocket). Element extractors, click helpers, target managemenet (SUPER painful), watchdogs (crash handling, file downloads, alerts), cross origin iframes (if you want to click on an element you have to switch the target first, very anoying), etc.

Watchdogs specifically are extremely painful but required. If Chrome triggers for example a native file popup the agent is just completely stuck. So the two solutions are to: 1. code those heuristics and edge cases away 1 by 1 and prevent them 2. give LLM a tool to handle the edge case

As you can imagine - there are crazy amounts of heuristics like this so you eventually end up with A LOT of tools if you try to go for #2. So you have to make compromises and just code those heuristics away.

BUT if the LLM just "knows" CDP well enough to switch the targets when it encounters a cross origin iframe, dismiss the alert when it appears, write its own click helpers, or upload function, you suddenly don't have to worry about any of those edge cases.

Turns out LLMs know CDP pretty well these days. So we bitter pilled the harness. The concepts that should survive are: - something that holds and keeps CDP websocket alive (deamon) - extremely basic tools (helpers.py) - skill.md that explains how to use it

The new paradigm? SKILL.md + a few python helpers that need to have the ability to change on the fly.

One cool example: We forgot to implement upload_file function. Then mid-task the agent wants to upload a file so it grepped helpers.py, saw nothing, wrote the function itself using raw DOM.setFileInputFiles (which we only noticed that later in a git diff). This was a relly magical moment of how powerful LLMs have become.

Compared to other approaches (Playwright MCP, browser use CLI, agent-browser, chrome devtools MCP): all of them wrap Chrome in a set of predefined functions for the LLM. The worst failure mode is silent. The LLM's click() returns fine so the LLM thinks it clicked, but on this particular site nothing actually happened. It moves on with a broken model of the world. Browser Harness gives the LLM maximum freedom and perfect context for HOW the tools actually work.

Here are a few crazy examples of what browser harness can do: - plays stockfish https://x.com/shawn_pana/status/2046457374467379347 - sets a world record in tetris https://x.com/shawn_pana/status/2047120626994012442 - figures out how to draw a heart with js https://x.com/mamagnus00/status/2046486159992480198?s=20

You can super easily install it by telling claude code: `Set up https://github.com/browser-use/browser-harness for me.`

Repo: https://github.com/browser-use/browser-harness

What would you call this new paradigm? A dialect?

Animats 12 hours ago

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  • LarsenCC 8 hours ago

    Would be crazy if Opus 4.7 let this happen haha

  • bryant 4 hours ago

    On a related note, I wonder if an LLM harnessed with this would fall for some of the same phishing scams humans fall for.

    • Paul-Craft 2 minutes ago

      I have no idea, but this type of scenario is just one of many, many reasons giving an LLM free access to a browser on the open internet sounds like a terrible idea.

  • throw03172019 3 hours ago

    Never run agents on your main computer.

  • cyode 3 hours ago

    This won’t drain accounts with balances above the maximum daily transfer limit. To get past that, you’ll need to get on a phone with the bank.

mandeepj 2 hours ago

How do you past Claudflare bot protection and other heuristics that some sites use to stop automated browser activity?

  • sMarsIntruder 2 hours ago

    I personally encountered that problem with browser use and I developed a listener on top that gets triggered when there’s a captcha, so it just switch off chrome headless so the user can solve it before proceeding.

embedding-shape 14 hours ago

> The new paradigm? SKILL.md + a few python helpers that need to have the ability to change on the fly. [...] What would you call this new paradigm? A dialect?

It's called "agentic coding" for all I know, and isn't a new paradigm, the whole purpose with agentic coding is that it uses tools to do their thing, then those tools could be structured as the good old JSON schema tools next to the implemented runtime, or as MCP, or HTTP API or whatever, the "paradigm" is the same: Have a harness, have a LLM, let the harness define tools that the LLM can use those.

  • codethief 13 hours ago

    IIUC the point is that the agent has the ability to modify itself? So one possible term could be "self-evolving" or "self-modifying agent".

    • embedding-shape 13 hours ago

      Any agent that accepts "work in this working directory" (which AFAIK, all of them do) have had this ability, even the initial GPT2/3 experiments around matching LLMs with primitive tool-calling.

      • codethief 10 hours ago

        Fair, so let's do

          s/has the ability to/is meant to
        

        Then again, I don't think your statement is entirely correct: It assumes you've given the agent the permission to edit his source autonomously, which would normally seem unusual for an agent that's just supposed to connect to the browser.

syl5x 15 hours ago

That's pretty good, I've achieved pretty much the same thing using the vercel's agent-browser, but I've tried playwright and it worked easily as good. Its good for scraping, automating stuff in the browser.

  • debarshri 14 hours ago

    I think the usecase here is to go beyond scraping. I think you can use it as a tool for agent harnesses and make it part of a larger workflow.

  • tanishqkanc 5 hours ago

    You should check out Libretto. It can take the playwright code and turn it into a script you can deploy

  • esperent 4 hours ago

    Yeah I just created a playwright cli skill in about 30 minutes and I've been using it for months. It is a bit slow but I occasionally try other things like this and they are slow too so maybe that's just inherent.

amelius 14 hours ago

I was wondering when someone would finally build this.

Anyway, of course this will be superseded by a harness that provides freedom to complete any task within the OS.

  • reaganhsu 13 hours ago

    it will be crazy when someone builds this

  • npodbielski 12 hours ago

    What about security? What if it goes of the rails and remove /root I.e.? Yes that would be crazy because only madman would do that.

    Unless it would be airgapped no internet access machine with just monitor I.e.

SomewhatLikely 13 hours ago

If I'm understanding correctly, this might be the first example of just-in-time agentic coding that I've come across.

  • LarsenCC 8 hours ago

    Interesting way to put it. Maybe it is.

_pdp_ 9 hours ago

> What would you call this new paradigm?

I call it Terms of Service Violation. :)

  • LarsenCC 8 hours ago

    Browsers don't sign ToS, users do. Use it with care.

Amekedl 15 hours ago

I’d call it “open washing”, but it looks cool. Good luck with it

  • LarsenCC 13 hours ago

    Curious why? You can just take this and run locally or deploy anywhere you'd like with any provider agent provider.

bdcravens 9 hours ago

> Paste into Claude Code or Codex:

> Set up https://github.com/browser-use/browser-harness for me.

> Read `install.md` first to install and connect this repo to my real browser. Then read `SKILL.md` for normal usage. Always read `helpers.py` because that is where the functions are. When you open a setup or verification tab, activate it so I can see the active browser tab. After it is installed, open this repository in my browser and, if I am logged in to GitHub, ask me whether you should star it for me as a quick demo that the interaction works — only click the star if I say yes. If I am not logged in, just go to browser-use.com.

Is the the new "curl {url} | sh"?

  • jadbox 7 hours ago

    It is pretty neat, but I'm concerned by just how long and complex the actual install.md instructions are. I would have preferred a real installer to this complex web of instructions + AI trying to interpret the instructions to install. I think I would be more accepting if the install.md script was maybe less than half its current size/complexity.

  • taikon 6 hours ago

    I thought browser-use was janky and barely worked? Or was that fixed from 1-2 years ago?

    • bdcravens 5 hours ago

      I haven't used it, just commenting on the instructions that jumped out at me.

      That said, I do a lot of browser automation, and have done so for over 15 years using all the tools you might imagine, and as I've researched "plain English" approaches, browser-use comes up a lot, along with other options like stagehand, etc.

      Also anything older than 3 or 4 months in the LLM era is worth revisiting, since a tool's approach may be solid, but the models of that point in time may have been the weak point.

aussieguy1234 6 hours ago

Remote debugging will trigger bot detection. So this won't work for use cases like booking a flight/hotel on the major platforms.

  • tanishqkanc 5 hours ago

    i dont think its detectable if done well. We’ve built involved automations with no problems. i used libretto not browserbase tho

  • shawnpana 3 hours ago

    depends on your setup and the data you send. using Google Chrome with remote debugging and your cookies gets around all lot of the stealth problems, and to parallelize you could use Browser Use Cloud stealth browsers. this use case works for both options.

mattaustin 14 hours ago

I submitted a remote code execution to the browser-use about 40 days ago. GHSA-r2x7-6hq9-qp7v I am a bit stunned by the lack of response. Any safety concerns in this project?

mvelbaum 14 hours ago

Sawyer Hood's dev-browser[0] allows the browser to write playwright JS code directly. Do you have cases where his approach fails and yours works?

[0] https://github.com/SawyerHood/dev-browser

  • LarsenCC 13 hours ago

    PW is usually easier to detect. Using raw CDP is in our opinion much better for this.

    • jstanley 13 hours ago

      We published a survey of stealth browsers just yesterday https://botforensics.com/blog/stealth-browser-survey-april-2...

      There's still plenty that Browser-Use could improve in terms of stealthiness.

      We didn't detect it using CDP (good!) but can still detect that it is Browser-Use.

      • kajman 13 hours ago

        This is an advertisement that looks like a technical blogpost for a moment.

    • mvelbaum 12 hours ago

      So only a stealth advantage?

esafak 13 hours ago

1. Can you elaborate on the self healing?

2. Can you publish a tabular comparison on your README?

3. What information gets sent to your API server?

I'm struggling to see why I should use this over agent-browser; I have not yet run into the "cross origin iframes" problem. Is this more for the 'claw crowd?

  • LarsenCC 8 hours ago

    1. Self healing means that it detects it needs some new helper function to complete a task. So, it adds it by itself while doing the task. 2. Will consider yes. 3. Nothing. Only if you decide to use remote browsers, we use the API Key to create one for you

doublerabbit 14 hours ago

And that's how I woke up with an LLM roleplaying with itself while looking at porn.

joemazerino 6 hours ago

Browser-use is incredible. Solving captchas via proxy is a wild experience when steering in the browser.

One issue I have is the pricing. The API is straightforward and easy to deploy, but it seems the API is restricted to a paid tier. Using the inline agent sessions seems possible via the free plan.

Happy to accept corrections if I'm wrong.

  • shawnpana 3 hours ago

    we have a free tier that allows you to use our cloud browsers and agents at zero cost!