FinnKuhn 1 hour ago

Using the trademark is one thing. The authors brazen reaction another: https://github.com/notepad-plus-plus/notepad-plus-plus/issue...

  • 47282847 1 hour ago

    To me he sounds inexperienced/naive and a little scared (and thus “defensive”) but well-intentioned. His response makes me believe that he didn’t do it for fame, to deceive, or other selfish reasons.

    • AureliusMA 53 minutes ago

      I don't believe that he is naive. It looks like he wants to use the Notepad++ brand authority to capture the notepad++ macos market (which is big!) Thus he is infringing on a trademark for his own benefit.

    • f3408fh 52 minutes ago

      A malicious actor would be happy to be publicly labeled inexperienced/naive.

      • doginasuit 28 minutes ago

        That reasoning holds but it is not based on any of the facts at hand. There's a reason why any community worth being apart of has a tendency to assume good faith. People make mistakes. I respect Don Ho's response and I don't see how the pitchfork brigade is bringing anything valuable to the situation.

        • f3408fh 21 minutes ago

          If you’d actually installed it and realized afterward that you’d been misled, whether by someone who doesn’t understand trademarks or someone acting in bad faith, you’d probably feel differently. Leaving a comment on HN in that situation is a pretty reasonable reaction.

        • lopis 11 minutes ago

          People are pissed because instead of taking the feedback, apologizing and acting immediately, he wrote comment after comment giving excuses. What he did is literally illegal, and ignorance or good intentions is not a solid excuse.

    • LeCompteSftware 50 minutes ago

      The smarmy dishonesty about "expanding the Notepad++ brand" actually is selfish and ill-intentioned. Perhaps he is too young and naive to fully understand that he is being parasitic. But naivety is a well-travelled path towards malice.

      Regardless, he absolutely deserves to be shamed on GitHub for this. I don't like the online culture of public shame and sandbagging - I think this GitHub thread should be closed now that it's viral - but sometimes people actually do things they should be ashamed of. This needs to be a tough lesson.

    • pndy 32 minutes ago

      I don't wanna be rude but it looks like this guy just arrived on the Internet this year - around March-April and it doesn't seem like he has any prior activity. He just decided to roll this Notepad++ for macOS and that's it

      Also, his medium avatar looks awfully generated.

      • RobotToaster 14 minutes ago

        It reads to me like English isn't his first language. Either way the complexities of open source licensing are something a lot of people don't understand.

    • cryptonym 31 minutes ago

      First step would be taking down the website, second step is an apology, third step is bringing back online with new branding and eventually a final word to thank them, share the link and say they remain open to criticism.

      It's not rocket science. Pretty sure even his LLM would give that strategy and implement it without burning too many tokens.

      More than inexperienced, either he really can't read a room or he knows very well what he is doing.

      • lopis 5 minutes ago

        Right? Instead we get:

        - Saying he's hoping Don allows it

        - "I actually did nothing wrong"

        - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 2

        - "I actually did nothing wrong" part 3

        - Why are you so mad? Give me a week

        - Why are you so mad? I added more lies to the website

        - Why are you so mad? I'm working on it

        ... over the course of 2 days. Shutting down the website and pulling the app offline should have taken minutes.

  • LeCompteSftware 57 minutes ago

    "I will give you one week to change the name."

    "No, I'm not going to do that."

    "Okay fine, I'll report you to Cloudflare now."

    "BROOOOOOOO you said you'd give me a week?!?!"

    • ssl-3 38 minutes ago

      It looks like it went more like this:

      "Stop using my trademark." [1]

      "OK, give me a couple of weeks. I was intending to expand your brand." [2]

      "No. I've reported this to your CDN." [3]

      ---

      [1]: This is the correct way to handle things.

      [2]: This has the appearance of being evidence of -deliberate- fuckery.

      [3]: This kind of action is the inevitable result of deliberate fuckery.

    • as1mov 35 minutes ago

      Funny how the vibe-coding speed grinds to 0 the moment people catch on to their bullshit. A name change requires a week but shitting out 200 commits with Claude takes barely a month.

      • efilife 6 minutes ago

        This comment really put it into perspective to me. I wouldn't have phrased it better myself

    • ares623 21 minutes ago

      We have found the limits of agentic engineering. Changing a logo on a website apparently takes weeks.

  • f3408fh 55 minutes ago

    The disclaimer he put up on the website is comical. "In coordination with [original author], I will be _evolving the brand_ to …"

    • bayindirh 4 minutes ago

      Smells like AI slop past its expiration date, to be honest.

  • pjc50 47 minutes ago

    AI means never having to ask permission. Or forgiveness, it seems.

  • bartread 45 minutes ago

    > I wanted is to bring Notepad++ to mac and allow people to find Mac version of Notepad++ quickly and use it.

    Seems he’s ignorant of the ecosystem too (or possibly disingenuous, or maybe doesn’t realise he’s done something wrong or why). Notepad++ runs perfectly on macOS under Wine. I’ve been using it that way for two or three years now. Wasn’t a struggle to set up either: I simply ran the installer as if I was running Windows and then it #justworked.

  • doginasuit 42 minutes ago

    That response doesn't seem brazen. It sounds like they had a deeply mistaken understanding of what an open source license grants and believed it would be fine to use the name and branding as well as the code. Unless I missed it, it sounds like they are changing how their site communicates its relationship to the original source.

    What I find baffling about that conversation are the people having their LLMs weigh in on what the author should have done. Verbal takedown by LLM is a new level of cringe.

    Edit: There are some replies I hadn't seen, their confusion and request for patience sounds like they still don't fully appreciate their mistake.

    • Semaphor 36 minutes ago

      It sounds brazen and incredibly entitled. The LLM response seems fitting for a vibe coded project with a vibe brain author.

  • efilife 9 minutes ago

    Oh what the hell. This is the vibe coder mentality. Grift, as far as it goes

  • RobotToaster 7 minutes ago

    Honestly, the dude has added a disclaimer and agreed to change the name/logo/etc, giving the poor guy a few days to come up with a new name and register the URL doesn't seem a lot to ask. The dogpiling in that thread now seems especially unnecessary.

x187463 53 minutes ago

Just needs to update the site to make it clear it's an independent port of the project. Then, modify the name to MacPad++ or something. Good to go.

  • LeCompteSftware 48 minutes ago

    To be clear in the GitHub thread Don Ho repeatedly encouraged him to do this, and said it was cool that he was trying to bring Notepad++ to Mac! Just don't make it look like Don Ho and the rest of the team is responsible for any quality issues. Don't use the logo!

    "Objective-Notepad" was right there.

    • ErroneousBosh 41 minutes ago

      > "Objective-Notepad" was right there.

      It still is. There's only a handful of hits on Google for that, too.

      You should do it. I'd do it if I had a Mac and used Notepad++ ;-)

RedShift1 58 minutes ago

Is notepad++ a registered trademark?

  • voidUpdate 53 minutes ago
    • FinnKuhn 47 minutes ago

      So, it's a French trademark. Not a lawyer, but from what I remember trademarks need to be registered in every region you want to enforce them in separately.

      If the author of "Notepad++ for Mac" doesn't happen to be French as well, is there anything (legally) preventing them from using this trademark?

      • voidUpdate 43 minutes ago

        If a mac user is in France, does the software they use have to abide by French laws?

      • IshKebab 37 minutes ago

        That's not correct. You don't have to register a trademark in order for it to be protected, it's just recommended because if you do register it you don't have to separately prove that you have built up brand reputation. That should be pretty easy for a project as old and well-known as this though.

        • ssl-3 23 minutes ago

          You're correct.

          In very, very broad US-centric* strokes: Using a mark in trade is enough to establish a defensible trademark.

          Registering a trademark can be useful, but it is also optional. At very least, registration helps make the ownership of the mark easier to discover and this can help everyone start on the right foot.

          (* I'm not familiar at all with the laws of France, but that's fine: The alleged violation happened in New York.)

      • mr_toad 35 minutes ago

        You can enforce an unregistered trademark, but you need evidence that it’s actually yours. Registration makes that easier.

omblivion 1 hour ago

It is astonishing how blatant people can be. How do they imagine they won't be immediately called out?

Hopefully the domain and the app on the app store gets taken down soon.

  • odie5533 15 minutes ago

    He probably didn't know it was trademarked, and probably didn't think people would get upset, and he's now trying to make it right. Why assume malice on this guy?

f3408fh 1 hour ago

FFS. I installed it after seeing it here on HN and on MacRumors. Terrible failure on my part but MacRumors should offer an apology for endorsing this fake release.

  • nguyenkien 1 hour ago

    First thing I do is check official notepad++ website. I didn't see anything, that what's stop me.

    • f3408fh 57 minutes ago

      Smart. Good on you for noticing it wasn’t the real website.

  • AureliusMA 52 minutes ago

    This is such a blow for MacRumors... I won't be taking them seriously anymore after this. They are complicit.

    • f3408fh 33 minutes ago

      Me neither. So far all I see is a puny "[Updated]" title on the article with no apology or indication of what was updated.

      • pndy 25 minutes ago

        An apology? That'd be... breaking news /s

    • odie5533 14 minutes ago

      The National Enquirer publishing rumors and gossip?! I'll never read them again!

karel-3d 1 hour ago

The app seems to be entirely vibe-coded. ("multi-agent AI development workflows are what make a one-person project at this scale practical")

However the author says he will "move from the branding".

  • odie5533 12 minutes ago

    I suspect we will not see a non-vibe-coded app again. I think such days are in the past now.

ares623 19 minutes ago

(posting my comment from the other thread) Hilarious. How long does it take to vibecode the requests to change the logo and name. Vibecoding a port from scratch is super fast as long as you don't need permission huh. Then when the adults ask you to not infringe on copyright, it's all "please be patient guys. I am boy. Give me one week pls."

gverrilla 29 minutes ago

It's the Trump pattern: break all rules to benefit yourself until someone or something stops you. USA has not yet reached this clarity.