ndiddy 3 days ago

I think the Bitlocker "vuln" is a good reminder not to use vendor provided encryption for any sensitive data. https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/YellowKey/ You load a specific file onto a flash drive, plug it into a Bitlocker encrypted computer, reboot it while holding a key combination, and it pops up a command prompt with full access to the encrypted volume. There's no way this isn't a backdoor.

  • otterley 3 days ago

    > I think the Bitlocker "vuln" is a good reminder not to use vendor provided encryption for any sensitive data

    I don't think that's true. Some vendors have a better track record than others. Nobody's popped the storage encryption on iOS or MacOS devices yet AFAIK; and the fact that it's tied to a hardware secure element makes it pretty strong.

    • thefz 3 days ago

      You mean aside from the NSA? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

      • otterley 3 days ago

        I don't see anything on the linked page that supports a conclusion that NSA has successfully broken the encryption at rest of an Apple device's storage since they introduced the secure element.

        Care to share a quote?

        • ffsm8 3 days ago

          Prism targeted network communication to my knowledge, hence the data wouldn't be siphoned from at rest encrypted devices. Instead it would've been leaked before it was copied to that local encrypted device, whenever it was transmitted over the wire. Eg when your background task uploaded it to iCloud or similar.

          • dcrazy 3 days ago

            It’s worth remembering that since Snowden, much of iCloud is now end-to-end encrypted using keys that Apple cannot unwrap: https://support.apple.com/guide/security/secure-icloud-keych...

            • ffsm8 3 days ago

              Fwiw, that's a clear statement - but only that.

              There is no way for us, the users, to know wherever they have the capability to add additional keys to decrypt the data because the platform isn't open source and doesn't have attestation wrt what's actually serving the requests.

              And it's worth remembering that apple had similar articles published before prism too which were ultimately proven to be groundless by prism.

              • otterley 3 days ago

                What, exactly, was proven to be groundless?

              • dcrazy 2 days ago

                The whole thing relies on hardware security modules, so even if you can prove that the whole software stack is working as described, there is literally no way to know that the SE isn’t secretly handing the OS keys that a third party can decrypt.

                There needs to be trust at some level, and trust in Apple the entity to not be outright lying about its thoroughly documented security posture is a reasonable level of trust for most people on the planet, including those who are at very real risk of targeted attack by state-level actors.

    • Veserv 3 days ago

      Ah yes, the bizarro world where systems are normally unhackable so the default assumption is impenetrable security and you need to prove they are insecure.

      Thank god this is not the world where things get hacked all the time and where any claim of meaningful security is a extraordinary claim that demands extraordinary evidence and proof before credibly asserting it, but everybody just ignores that part and just pinky promises it and everybody just believes them for the 104th time without evidence.

    • jiggawatts 3 days ago

      Microsoft quietly dropped support for encryption offload support ("OPAL") in SSD drives because the hardware vendors were doing absolute clown-shoes things like a single static hard-coded key or the key was literally empty / all zeroes!

      There's levels of trust/security.

      I generally trust Apple's device encryption, assume BitLocker can be popped by a well-equipped nation state attacker, and the rest I trust about as far as I can throw them.

      PS: A related issue was (is?) that the comms between the CPU and the TPM chip on the motherboard isn't encrypted, signed, or in any significant way protected! Apparently it's relatively trivial to extract various keys including BitLocker encryption keys by simply clipping an oscilloscope to the TPM chip pins.

      Reference: https://www.techcentral.ie/windows-bitlocker-no-longer-trust...

      • kotaKat 3 days ago

        > OPAL

        Ah, yes. Wave EMBASSY Suite, Wave Preboot, and all that other hot garbage.

        Best part of Wave Systems was their horrid support organization. I loved being the tier 0 rep they contracted and trained with zero software knowledge and being a catch-and-throw for all the angry people that locked themselves out of their laptops. "Sorry, buddy, all I can do is make you a Dynamics CRM ticket."

  • aiscoming 3 days ago

    this exploit works only if you dont use a PIN/password for your Bitlocker and the volume automatically unlocks

    so it gives you access to an encrypted volume which automatically unlocks anyway

    the only difference is that it immediately gives you root access to the volume instead of having to go through the Windows login procedure - this might be a stolen laptop you dont have an account on

    • ndiddy 3 days ago

      The author claims the exploit also works with TPM+PIN, he just hasn't released the PoC:

      > Second thing is, No, TPM+PIN does not help, the issue is still exploitable regardless, I asked myself this question, can it still work in a TPM+PIN environment ? Yes it does, I'm just not publishing the PoC, I think what's out there is already bad enough.

      https://deadeclipse666.blogspot.com/2026/05/were-doing-silen...

      • aiscoming 3 days ago

        they might mean "after you enter the bitlocker PIN you get root access without having a login password on the system" - still just a privilege escalation bug

        • iscoelho 3 days ago

          That’s quite a stretch, to say the least.

          • aiscoming 3 days ago

            claiming to have a 10 times more impressive PoC but not releasing it "out of goodness of heart" is also quite a stretch

            • iscoelho 3 days ago

              Considering the researcher had already reported these to Microsoft, and delayed releasing them publicly until Microsoft "pulled every childish game possible" (quote) instead of patching them, it's not unreasonable for the researcher to be withholding another exploit from the public to limit harm.

              I also disagree that the PIN bypass would be "10 times more impressive," but that's just my professional opinion.

            • sexylinux 3 days ago

              If you think about it for some minutes you will maybe understand that there are many reasons not to publish it.

      • JeremyNT 2 days ago

        I'm not a Windows expert but based on my understanding of how MS does this, something doesn't add up here.

        If you use bitlocker in the default, insecure way, where the TPM is configured to hand the decryption keys over to the enrolled Windows environment automatically, you can just get an LPE to access the running Windows environment after it boots. That's what I think the published exploit does. It really isn't even related to bitlocker itself, right?

        AIUI, TPM+PIN should actually mean the TPM itself cannot release the keys because the PIN hash is actually part of the key material.

        So what would a TPM+PIN exploit even look like?

        • panflute 2 days ago

          The usual attack is in a usability feature to prevent lock out. Looking at the instructions for setup I see Bitlocker recovery code if you forget your pin.. (How does that alternative work, what are other alternative unlocks if firmware hash changes, etc, etc..)

        • ranger_danger 2 days ago

          > you can just get an LPE to access the running Windows environment after it boots

          Or if you have physical access, you can probe the TPM chip with a SPI decoder to get the key directly: https://post-cyberlabs.github.io/Offensive-security-publicat...

          Another method is via PXE (still not patched on most systems apparently): https://github.com/andigandhi/bitpixie

          > TPM+PIN should actually mean the TPM itself cannot release the keys

          It does release the (wrapped) key actually (the above cyberlabs link explains it), it's just that the KP data this time has additional layers of encryption that are based on the PIN, which is decrypted in software after the fact. This means you can crack it offline. With the default minimum of 6 digits you can probably bruteforce it within a day.

          If you're paranoid I might suggest switching to a full password-based pre-boot auth option instead of the PIN.

          • HHad3 1 day ago

            This article is probably not correct. The actual behavior is documented [1]:

            > BitLocker hashes the user-specified personal identification number (PIN) by using SHA-256, and the first 160 bits of the hash are used as authorization data sent to the TPM to seal the volume master key.

            So what's actually happening is that the PIN is used to derive an authValue passed to the TPM, which compares it to the expected value, and can trigger lockout on too many mismatches.

            I can't find specifics to how Windows configures the TPM wrt. lockout, but the mechanism described in the article appeared fishy to me, and contradicts official docs. It also would not make sense that TPM+PIN was known to be safe against bus sniffing attacks if it would still reveal all data required to brute-force the PIN.

            [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security/operating...

            • ranger_danger 1 day ago

              I was given this article after posting the previous one elsewhere:

              https://blog.scrt.ch/2024/10/28/privilege-escalation-through...

              This one does say "it appears that the user’s PIN is sent to the TPM which releases the intermediate key only if the provided secret is correct, thus effectively preventing offline bruteforce attacks."

              Given this, I can't see how it would be possible for anything like YellowKey to work on a cold booted TPM+PIN system without someone already knowing the PIN.

              Perhaps when the exploit author said "it works with PIN" they meant "it works if you enter the correct PIN"... or they are just lying. I'm not sure.

  • zuzululu 3 days ago

    How does Bill Gates keep getting away with this

  • sexylinux 3 days ago

    Do you know of a backdoor for Apple FileVault?

purpleidea 3 days ago

It's so obvious that many of the bugs being found are/were most likely M$ backdoors.

There doesn't seem to be any other plausible explanation. The reckoning needs to come and people need to stop using their products for good.

Would love a whistleblower to explain which part of the government or company forced it.

  • anonymars 3 days ago

    Haven't there been heaps of vulnerabilities cropping up all over recently, including CopyFail and Dirty Frag?

    • zuzululu 3 days ago

      yeah those have shaken a lot of people's confidence in Linux and I don't really see people ditching Windows either.

      In some ways the hysteria of sorts is peculiar....its not like we never had secure cybersecurity either its just that we have too much on the cloud and institutions of trust without questioning it because of herd behavior and empty suits.

      Like the timing of all of these seemingly disparate events from "mystery lonewolf" is too obvious and I'm not the one to entertain conspiracies either.

      • Veserv 2 days ago

        We had secure cybersecurity? When?

        I mean, there is some in the high assurance space, but that has never trickled into the broader consumer sphere. Are you referencing those systems? I am unaware of anything else.

      • BizarroLand 2 days ago

        A LOT of people are ditching windows. The only Windows computer I have left out of 5 is a work pc.

        CachyOS is pretty amazing, too.

  • blitzar 3 days ago

    They might be incompetent

__alexander 3 days ago

So weird that GitHub requires a login to view their BlueHammer repo.

https://github.com/Nightmare-Eclipse/BlueHammer

  • tsujamin 3 days ago

    That warning also doesn’t render right on my iPhone (the buttons are overlapping slightly), and I don’t recall seeing it on other repos. Is it new/bespoke?

  • dewey 3 days ago

    I'm logged in, but I'm seeing this now and can click on "View repository" or "Explore other repositories". Maybe that's why it's behind a login wall.

    > This repository contains malicious content that may cause technical harms. We have decided to preserve this content for security research purposes. Please exercise CAUTION when clicking links, downloading releases, or otherwise interacting with this repository.

NDlurker 3 days ago

Oh cool. My brother's old laptop is locked. Maybe this will help

  • Charon77 3 days ago

    Only affects win11

    • taspeotis 3 days ago

      Windows 11 is almost 5 years old at this point

    • NDlurker 3 days ago

      Haha I texted him about this and he said he already re-installed Windows. Bad timing. It was just a couple weeks ago he told me about this.

  • lostmsu 3 days ago

    This won't work if Windows on boot is already asking for BitLocker key because it means it can't retrieve the key from TPM.

aussieguy1234 3 days ago

Could the Bitlocker vulnerability be a backdoor mandated by some government agency?

  • aussieguy1234 2 days ago

    I see upvotes, so at least some people agree with this possibility.

    One more reason to stick with open source, auditable solutions. Any backdoor in open source software would be quickly noticed by the community (such as recently when NPM packages got compromised).

dmantis 2 days ago

Some anon hero cleans up backdoored garbage.

This year looks very refreshing for software. My guess is because of the AI-assitance in grinding an unlimited amount of code. While I feel sorry for maintainers and developers who have a new CVE everyday, society seems to be sweeping away 20 years of backdoor development by shady companies and spies, making computing actually safe and trusted for the first time in our lifetime.

NordStreamYacht 3 days ago

Laid off Microsoft researcher?

  • zuzululu 3 days ago

    No way to know but the timing is peculiar....conspiracy?

  • pcthrowaway 3 days ago

    Or laid of NSA, laid off Mossad, or many other possibilities.

    Or not laid off at all, but otherwise disgruntled security researcher who prompted AI to concoct some personal details that seem to be in line with someone inexplicably dropping Microsoft zero-days.

Havoc 3 days ago

Seems odd that someone is both capable of this and homeless. This stuff has decent value on the grey market

  • gilrain 3 days ago

    You imagine people wind up homeless because they can’t do useful things? What a just world!

getcrunk 3 days ago

Anyone remember the Samsung ssd issue with bitlocker from maybe like a decade or so ago where it was an empty encryption key or something