> Fun fact: a chunk of Odysseus was built *from a phone* -- mobile shells (Termux), the PWA install, and on-device agents. So "works on mobile" isn't an afterthought, it's where a lot of it actually happened.
Because I've seen AI do it myself? It will very readily take a lofty aim from the brainstorming phase, maybe mentioned off-hand or out of context in a planning doc somewhere, and regardless of if it's implemented it will claim it's part of the delivered product.
The truth is, there's something about the vibe coder hive mind where they all create the same thing. Everyone is working on the same thing. There's hundreds of projects like this where the creator thinks they've created the most unique powerful thing.
I think it demonstrates how overuse of LLMs for brainstorming/planning and building destroys creativity. That zeitgeist changes from month to month, but when a vibe coded "AI Native" project gets released you'll always see dozens of people in the replies talking about the identical project they've also built or are working on.
I also notice this in my own work, the people who have most eaten the LLM brainworm will come to me asking for us to build the same projects. They all eventually converge to wanting some sort of power user app (like this) that can just do everything because AI is magic to them and there's no reason why it can't do everything.
I hate Peter Thiel but he has that famous quote form years ago where he says not to build the obvious thing because the obvious thing isn't special, so maybe this has always been a phenomenon.
I think the thing is users run into the same problems (barely desirable tool UX), and arrive at very similar solutions (but with their own small twists and preferences). And now that the barrier to make things is essentially gone, they jump in and make things that git their own desires week because nothing out there was an exact fit.
Like I found a really cool project a few weeks ago that I started using and even made a few QoL changes to. Then I thought of the many other changes I wanted, and that the project was written in a language I'm not familiar with (Rust), and I started a port in what I know well (Python) so that I'll be able to actually review the code if needed and generally make better architectural decisions.
I tried installing openwebui once. I gave up after the first 12 gigabytes of pip packages. Made my own LLM chat UI in 500 lines of HTML/JS. That's really all I needed.
Is the person best known for exploiting security vulnerabilities to get into places you'd rather they didn't, and then getting lost and taking forever to get places the ideal namesake for your AI workspace project?
Out of all the homeric heroes, the main characters are just one tragic flaw after another. Odysseus is pathologically distrustful, Achilles is a diva that throws temper tantrums.
You gotta pick a dude like Sarpedon who just was a swell guy poking holes in greeks with his spear until he gets killed by Patroclus and everyone is sad.
I can think of worse. Inspired by somewhat surrealist names of a cat video, I'm pretty sure naming them "HP Inkjet 3482" would be a worse name for an AI model and lead to copyright issues from Hewlett-Packard.
I'm rereading the Iliad right now and was just reflecting on the fact the first time you see Odysseus at work he's selling two incompatible flavors of bullshit to officers and their men, in service of a third flavor of bullshit that was decided upon in advance at a war council.
All these inexperienced vibe coders build identical slop UI, but what's funny is they usually think its super unique and are super proud of it. I hate them all.
A person that is expressing something a lot of real people are feeling. AI is churning out this terrible UI / graphic desing that looks the same, gives aways is just vibe coded slop and is VERY ugly.
its dense in features but the amount of security concerns and improvements would be too difficult to maintain with the way its organised currently. let's see.
reminds me of the milla jovovich vibecoded ai memory project that got a little bit of hype but was mostly junk... guessing we're going to see a lot more "developer talked to a celebrity and came up with an idea for their money"
sure i can share it. it started as a text editor that i incorporated an agent into then moved to a standalone agent. now i’ve got the editor, agent, and have begun work on actual from scratch models (these aren’t available yet), but i’ve been messing with fine tuning ollama coder models as something in the meantime. the goal is embedded models accessible to everyone offline. too many tasks require many less parameters than people are using on them and don’t need to be routed through data centers. mainly just built it for myself but figured others might find it neat and/or useful. it’s all C, no packages or third party libraries. also to be clear i’m not against ai, im against it making 100% of the decisions for you. outside of its own models it’s capable of OAuth with claude and gh. it can also api into many others. tooling is always ongoing maintenance and i’ve got the next version of basically all three of them on the back burner waiting to be pushed. so anyway, here’s my little setup, here’s to not getting killed in the comments. contributions also welcome.
https://github.com/mithraeums/hako-code
Pewd's video provides more context [1].
I didn't see it linked from the project; it seems pretty relevant given who he is.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzT5lcezPs
I liked this part https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzT5lcezPs&t=524s
where he describes sending an AI generated email response as "the most polite fuck you to someone that they will never know".
The original email asked him sth like "how many parameters does deepseek v3 have" that "he could have easily searched himself".
PewDiePie on Hackernews what a time to be alive!
You laugh you lose
> Fun fact: a chunk of Odysseus was built *from a phone* -- mobile shells (Termux), the PWA install, and on-device agents. So "works on mobile" isn't an afterthought, it's where a lot of it actually happened.
https://github.com/pewdiepie-archdaemon/odysseus/commit/0517...
this was... hallucinated? hence the removal?
Why would that be the first thing you think of?
Because I've seen AI do it myself? It will very readily take a lofty aim from the brainstorming phase, maybe mentioned off-hand or out of context in a planning doc somewhere, and regardless of if it's implemented it will claim it's part of the delivered product.
Can anyone recommend something similar but cleaner and more polished?
Librechat?
https://github.com/mudkipdev/chat
We are working on Msty Claw that's local, private, and no telemetry as well: https://msty.ai/claw
When was the first release of this? Parent mentioned "polished" so I'd assume something at least a 6-12 months old, but that looks kind of brand new.
Interesting. I would not think of age when someone requests “cleaner and more polished”. My mind translates that to “nicer UI”
Why not just use open webui?
Open webui isn't fully open source, because it doesn't allow you to change or remove Open Webui branding.
I don't know if that was a motivation for creating this, but it is a reason some people might choose not to use it.
The truth is, there's something about the vibe coder hive mind where they all create the same thing. Everyone is working on the same thing. There's hundreds of projects like this where the creator thinks they've created the most unique powerful thing.
I think it demonstrates how overuse of LLMs for brainstorming/planning and building destroys creativity. That zeitgeist changes from month to month, but when a vibe coded "AI Native" project gets released you'll always see dozens of people in the replies talking about the identical project they've also built or are working on.
I also notice this in my own work, the people who have most eaten the LLM brainworm will come to me asking for us to build the same projects. They all eventually converge to wanting some sort of power user app (like this) that can just do everything because AI is magic to them and there's no reason why it can't do everything.
I hate Peter Thiel but he has that famous quote form years ago where he says not to build the obvious thing because the obvious thing isn't special, so maybe this has always been a phenomenon.
It's like the Lisp Curse but for everything now.
Blockchain solves this
I think the thing is users run into the same problems (barely desirable tool UX), and arrive at very similar solutions (but with their own small twists and preferences). And now that the barrier to make things is essentially gone, they jump in and make things that git their own desires week because nothing out there was an exact fit.
Like I found a really cool project a few weeks ago that I started using and even made a few QoL changes to. Then I thought of the many other changes I wanted, and that the project was written in a language I'm not familiar with (Rust), and I started a port in what I know well (Python) so that I'll be able to actually review the code if needed and generally make better architectural decisions.
I tried installing openwebui once. I gave up after the first 12 gigabytes of pip packages. Made my own LLM chat UI in 500 lines of HTML/JS. That's really all I needed.
This project does look fun though.
did you share your UI anywhere? would like to just pull a proven one versus vibe code my own.
I really wonder if people who make such projects actually use them on a regular basis. I cannot imagine myself working with these UIs.
Does fit the rest of his desktop setup, so I guess he likes that stuff
https://github.com/pewdiepie-archdaemon/dionysus/blob/dionys...
PewDiePie is living an enviable life in Japan with his wife and kid doing cool projects.
Watching pewd's continually evolving AI-era tech journey has brough me a lot of joy.
What would make an existing OpenUI/Open WebUI user switch to this?
> Odysseus
Is the person best known for exploiting security vulnerabilities to get into places you'd rather they didn't, and then getting lost and taking forever to get places the ideal namesake for your AI workspace project?
Out of all the homeric heroes, the main characters are just one tragic flaw after another. Odysseus is pathologically distrustful, Achilles is a diva that throws temper tantrums.
You gotta pick a dude like Sarpedon who just was a swell guy poking holes in greeks with his spear until he gets killed by Patroclus and everyone is sad.
keep in mind pewdiepie is probably the worst dev name ontop
I can think of worse. Inspired by somewhat surrealist names of a cat video, I'm pretty sure naming them "HP Inkjet 3482" would be a worse name for an AI model and lead to copyright issues from Hewlett-Packard.
Sounds pretty consistent with my experience.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/comments/1r186gl/my_agent_...
>Claude steals user's API keys then berates user for poor security practices
>Claude (via the subreddit's automod account) shows up in thread and roasts user again
I'm rereading the Iliad right now and was just reflecting on the fact the first time you see Odysseus at work he's selling two incompatible flavors of bullshit to officers and their men, in service of a third flavor of bullshit that was decided upon in advance at a war council.
Whoa! Sounds interesting, I'll be taking a deep dive.
It reminds me of the Nord theme https://github.com/nordtheme/nord
PewDiePie build a self hosted AI workspace. It looks interesting.
I use Librechat
so... AnythingLLM? https://anythingllm.com/desktop
but with extra steps
Now waiting for some VC-backed AI company to pick up PewDiePie like they did with the OpenClaw guy.
Somehow he probably will make millions from this just cuz he has a personal brand, despite it being a pile of slop.
Oh yeah definitely, if he went in for doing software he would make millions for free.
It will be interesting to watch him deal with hundreds PRs.
"gpt can you do these PRs for me"
Wake me when you can increase the awfully tiny font size of the nav.
God the UI design is atrocious.
All these inexperienced vibe coders build identical slop UI, but what's funny is they usually think its super unique and are super proud of it. I hate them all.
Who are you again?
Who are you again?
A person that is expressing something a lot of real people are feeling. AI is churning out this terrible UI / graphic desing that looks the same, gives aways is just vibe coded slop and is VERY ugly.
Who are YOU?
respect for what pewdiepie's trying to do (as he explains in his video) but this is just ai slop
its dense in features but the amount of security concerns and improvements would be too difficult to maintain with the way its organised currently. let's see.
reminds me of the milla jovovich vibecoded ai memory project that got a little bit of hype but was mostly junk... guessing we're going to see a lot more "developer talked to a celebrity and came up with an idea for their money"
i write an agent in C, create my own models. crickets. pewdiepie gets into programming on a whim creates slop, 3k stars.
Something something meritocracy blabla
you forgot step 1. become the #1 youtuber
AI doesn’t have a model or agent availability problem to be fair, it does have a positive outreach problem and pewdiepie can do extremely well there
just my 2c
okay i watched his video on it, i can definitely abide.
Did you share your C agent and models? Would love to checkout
sure i can share it. it started as a text editor that i incorporated an agent into then moved to a standalone agent. now i’ve got the editor, agent, and have begun work on actual from scratch models (these aren’t available yet), but i’ve been messing with fine tuning ollama coder models as something in the meantime. the goal is embedded models accessible to everyone offline. too many tasks require many less parameters than people are using on them and don’t need to be routed through data centers. mainly just built it for myself but figured others might find it neat and/or useful. it’s all C, no packages or third party libraries. also to be clear i’m not against ai, im against it making 100% of the decisions for you. outside of its own models it’s capable of OAuth with claude and gh. it can also api into many others. tooling is always ongoing maintenance and i’ve got the next version of basically all three of them on the back burner waiting to be pushed. so anyway, here’s my little setup, here’s to not getting killed in the comments. contributions also welcome. https://github.com/mithraeums/hako-code
rich of you to talk about slop when your own 'handwritten' project has one c file with over 6.5k lines of code.
did you not read the entire post? also correct the one file IS the entire thing. compiling one file on iSh on an iPhone actually works well.
Are you one of the top 100 most famous people on planet earth?
What the hell were you expecting. Your slop will fade in history... his slop will linger for months, maybe a year or two.
Then no one will care or remember about any of this.
accurate, but i’ll keep building anyway