edent 26 minutes ago

Android used to have an "office hours" setting which would prevent specific email accounts from notifying you outside of your specified times.

I had my work GMail set to notify only between 0800 (so I could check for a "don't come in" message) and 1700 Mon-Fri. Of course, it didn't account for holidays / sick leave etc, but it was good at prevent me from panic checking every ping.

I wish that was a feature on modern Gmail. Or, indeed, WhatsApp and Signal. You can manually mute, but there's no way to silence specific notifications at specific times.

Regardless, employees shouldn't be expecting employees to be on-call without compensation. But users also need ways to manage this themselves.

  • throe9393i44i 22 minutes ago

    Second phone?

    • pwg 16 minutes ago

      Indeed. If $job is not willing to buy and hand me a "work phone" then they are out of luck, nothing for $job gets put onto my private phone. If they think they need this ability, then they also need to add a line item to their budgets for the cost of the phone and the service. And when faced with this alternative, they have not, so far, decided they want to pay for a phone.

      • SoftTalker 13 minutes ago

        Where do you draw the line? If the employer wants you to install a 2FA app on your phone, do you demand a separate phone or alternate 2FA device for that and mark yourself as a troublemaker? Or do you just do what 99.8% of the staff does and install the app?

        • childofhedgehog 9 minutes ago

          My IT department and I fully support staff requesting YubiKeys, there’s no concept of being a “troublemaker” for having boundaries and respecting security requirements. I’d talk to your IT management if your company culture seems different, I bet the actual techs do not have an issue with this.

        • nosioptar 6 minutes ago

          I'm happy to be the "troublemaker". In my experience, one troublemaker can often recruit others to their cause.

  • gumby271 21 minutes ago

    Check out Buzzkill, its a great app for managing notification rules. You can set it to hide and batch up notifications during your off hours and show them later.

roenxi 23 minutes ago

Regardless of whether people agree with the concept or not, this seems like excessive bureaucracy. This sort of thing should already be legal or illegal based on what is in an employment contract and it seems like just paperwork to have more laws saying that someone's reasonable working hours are indeed their agreed reasonable working hours. It shouldn't and probably doesn't need an act to metaphorically underline a short phrase in a contract. It is just creating drag on small businesses and that sort of thing costs money. I suppose this is an opportunity to link my favourite article reminding everyone that petty business regulation pretty much just makes countries poorer [0].

It reminds me of when politicians criminalise things that were already illegal to show that they are taking an interest in some crisis.

[0] https://www.grumpy-economist.com/p/the-cost-of-regulation

  • awinter-py 14 minutes ago

    a major function of the law is to mediate between groups that have unequal power

    as a collective, employees out-vote employers and can obtain this kind of concession through the law but not in an individual contract negotiation

    (mancur olson notwithstanding)

    taken to its logical extreme your argument would forbid all group negotiations, I'd think?

    • roenxi 9 minutes ago

      I'm just going off the summary document [0], but the law doesn't seem to require any particular working hours. It just says people should stick to them once they've been agreed. That's already implied by having working hours. The whole bill basically just tells the regulator that the legislature thinks the fine for not sticking to the employment contract should be up to $500 which is probably redundant since I assume the regulator (or someone, at any rate) can already fine people who don't stick to contracts. And they shouldn't need special and specific powers to fine someone for particular employment contract violations, if they're going to have power they should have general powers.

      > taken to its logical extreme your argument would forbid all group negotiations, I'd think?

      I don't see how the bill or anything I wrote have anything to do with group negotiations. People can negotiate as a group for all I care, as long as I can negotiate on my own.

      [0] https://legislature.mi.gov/Bills/Bill?ObjectName=2026-SB-094...

headz 10 minutes ago

It kind of baffles me that this needs to be a bill. I guess I'm lucky that I've never worked for a company that required me to be constantly online. (I work remotely for a US company, work European working hours, and nobody requires me to be online outside of them.)