points by usernametaken29 7 hours ago

It’s a strategy. Ask RyanAir. They systematically shut down any way to communicate with them, except lawsuits. Tried their chatbot, hotline, email, letter, fax, small claims court (I’m not joking they don’t even care about that). Unless you turn up with a court order and confiscate a plane, they simply won’t give a fuck, and I’m sure it’s a tactic to deter 99% of their problems before they start

ryandrake 4 hours ago

These companies have correctly figured out that customers will still give them money, even if they provide no customer support, are actively hostile to their customers, and only respond to lawsuits. Such a weird timeline we are on! People willingly do business with companies who are actively against them.

  • dam_jackalopes 4 hours ago

    Sometimes you don't get a choice, which is even more frustrating.

    We got an admittedly very good deal to switch cell carriers. Part of that deal was receiving a debit card with my phone's trade in value loaded. That card turned out to be digital. I put it on my phone without thinking too much of it. However, given my lack of experience with Apple Pay, I didn't realize that I now didn't have access to my own card number. When I try to use the debit card, I am asked for a PIN that I've never been given an option to set up. When I call the card provider, the automated system demands a card number. Which I don't have.

    Granted, it was my ignorance as a user that is responsible for some of this but it's pretty clear that the lack of access and support is intentional.

  • matkoniecz 4 hours ago

    Ryanair admittedly wins on price and regulatory setup in EU provides guarantees that planes are safe.

    Yes, Ryanair stole 100 euro from me once, but if next flight is 50 to 250 euro cheaper than competition...

    I did some big projects motivated entirely by spite (project was overall helpful, but I would not do this if someone would be less nasty). But I still would use Ryanair.

    • ben_w 1 hour ago

      > Yes, Ryanair stole 100 euro from me once, but if next flight is 50 to 250 euro cheaper than competition...

      I swore off them a few years ago.

      Plane started boarding around when it was due to land. We got on, seeing about 3cm of snow around. It went to the runway, whereupon the weather wasn't good enough so the plane waited. And waited. And waited. And then the pilot turned off internal power because we were waiting so long. And then the airspace was closed for the night and every Ryanair plane did what we did and taxied back to the airport and deplaned all of us, creating a queue at the help desk that didn't clear until 8am the next morning, or at least that was when I got to the front having stood up all night.

      I was supposed to be back in the office and working by this point.

      They told us to check online for rebookings: couldn't do that, their website was overloaded, though I could sometimes get as far as the schedule before it failed on me, and the next official opening was about 5 days later at the start of the queue and 7 days later when I reached the end. Other airlines were now charging £1000 for next-day flights.

      Got a standby ticket for a few hours later. Went through security again. It was also cancelled.

      At this point I went to my brother's place near Portsmouth, slept enough to recover, took the ferry to France, and took the train from Caen to Berlin, and this was still both cheaper than any replacement flight and faster than waiting for Ryanair to offer another flight that would also be subject to the same general climate.

      If the plane had landed on time before it got to us, it would've taken off before the weather got so bad.

      Had a very understanding boss at the time. I miss working with him.

Retr0id 5 hours ago

> small claims court (I’m not joking they don’t even care about that)

If they don't show up, doesn't that mean you win by default? (And then you can indeed send a bailiff to seize a plane...)

  • sscaryterry 5 hours ago

    Depending on the jurisdiction, getting a judgement alone doesn't allow you to have a bailiff enforce it.

sensanaty 6 hours ago

British Airways is the same. After they wrongfully didn't let me board my flight I had to escalate to the Dutch aviation authority (ILT, they sided in my favor within 3 days of me sending my letter in, that's how blatantly in the right I was) in order to get them to stop ignoring my emails, and even with the letter from ILT I still had to escalate to CEDR and they still took forever to compensate me what I was owed after legally being bound to do so. Along the way they tried every scummy tactic that exists, including sending me an email to close my CEDR case and they pinky promise they'll compensate me if I do that (which should be HIGHLY illegal but apparently isn't). They even went over the legally enforced time limits! They had 2 months after CEDR made their ruling in my favor to pay me back, and I STILL had to hound them after 2 and a half months to get my fucking money!

If I wasn't as idiotically stubborn as I am, I would've given up a month into the 8 month ordeal it eventually turned into. I guarantee you the vast majority of people wouldn't bother escalating to their CAA, or contact the relevant courts or authorities, which is what these scummy tactics are designed for. They would've been ignored like I did, then they would've given up because what's even the point?

The fact that we're allowing companies to get away with bullshit like this is ludicrous to me

  • cube00 4 hours ago

    >The fact that we're allowing companies to get away with bullshit like this is ludicrous to me.

    If they decide to not reply it becomes much more resource consuming to go down the legal road.

    I had this with DoorDash, even if you call they just say some specialised team needs to look at it and they'll email you back, surprise, they never do.

    • anjel 4 hours ago

      This isn't laissez faire. Along with useless binding arbitration they precisely lobbied for a marketplace devoid of consumer protections or redress channels. We now live in an age of strict Non-liability.

      • iteria 1 hour ago

        This is why after 2 good faith attempts, I just report them to the government. It turns out when you report a car insurance company to the state regulatory body, you suddenly know how to contact you. Nope, to bad. Deal with the government. Felt sweet to get a check in the mail from the IRS after resolution.

        That was the most recent time, but I've done it a couple of times. I do everything digitally, so it's always easy to prove my case.

        • anjel 23 minutes ago

          Land line telephone accounts: regulated

          Cell phone accounts: no regulatory oversight

          This pattern of deregulated modernization isn't just a pattern. It's a scandal.

sscaryterry 6 hours ago

The fact that this has become acceptable is the real problem.

  • tcfhgj 5 hours ago

    You don't want to harm the economy, do you?

    • sscaryterry 5 hours ago

      I'm sure the people who will get hurt have plenty of money.

ShinyLeftPad 6 hours ago

Same with Amazon Japan. It blocked my account with no way to contact them, never used again.