socializer 1 hour ago

I am continually impressed by the ability of LLMs to take trivial ideas and turn them into lengthy and obtuse blog posts with unnecessary analogies.

  • bioneuralnet 1 hour ago

    Yet another encroachment on traditionally human activity.

    • moritzwarhier 1 hour ago

      I am the

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      • msdz 3 minutes ago

        I know we’re not supposed to comment just for that, but this might be my single favorite joke comment I’ve ever read here. Good job.

  • swiftcoder 1 hour ago

    Honestly, this just looks like one of those lingo-heavy-but-surface-level blog posts that used to make functional programming spaces so insufferable to everyone on the outside

    • mahboi 1 hour ago

      These things are so divorced from the reality of programming, even when they involve actual code instead of fancy lingo. Like in Scala, not a pure functional language, tutorials used to find the most convoluted higher-order functional way to do simple things.

ninalanyon 1 hour ago

I've done this for years. Not every time of course but where it makes the code easier to understand and maintain.

Speed was almost never the reason.

  • alterom 45 minutes ago

    I take it you never rewrote a Matlab for loop as a vector/matrix op for insane speedups then :)

throwawayffffas 5 minutes ago

Just the branch predictor gains are probably worth it.

wallstop 1 hour ago

What is missing here is any benchmarks backing up this argument for code structure.

Of note, as of C#9 (and maybe prior), the dotnet runtime does this automatically whenever it is deemed safe. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/dotnet/performance-improvemen...

The same technique is applied as an optimization, when deemed safe, in all current gen c compilers (gcc, llvm, etc).

I'm very confused why neither measurements nor references to when this is done automatically in most modern languages is included in the article.

  • cogman10 57 minutes ago

    At least in JVM land, it's pretty easy to thwart that optimization. Particularly if the condition is on a mutable yet unchanged in the loop value.

    For example:

        var map = new HashMap<String, String>();
        map.put("foo", "bar");
        for (var i : items) {
          if ("bar".equals(map.get("foo")) {
            doStuff(i);
          }
        }
    

    Even though `map` isn't mutated, it's hard enough for the JVM to detect and the underlying `get` functions are complex enough that it'll run the `get("foo")` every time, which can be quiet expensive.

dieselgate 27 minutes ago

Didn’t see it mentioned in the article but isn’t leading with if-statement called a “guard clause”. I like that pattern but it’s just general best practice I thought.

  • mahboi 3 minutes ago

    Guard clauses are "if ___ else return". They're one of those good practices that look like bad practice to everyone who just got a CS degree. Idk why, but they really want to minimize the number of return statements in a function.

aappleby 59 minutes ago

I have always phrased this as "Never do one of something".

OutOfHere 44 minutes ago

I like it, but to do fizzbuzz in this way, you'd have to separate what's inside the loop into a reused function.

  • pdpi 25 minutes ago

    I think it's sort of obvious that the limit to this general rule is when data dependencies between fors and ifs forbid you from pushing things further up/down.

alterom 46 minutes ago

TL;DR in one sentence:

"the loop runs without a branch, and is a candidate for vectorization".

That's it, that's the article. This matters a lot in huge-scale / scientific computing / HPF, where if you can express something as an operation on vectors on matrices, you win big (those ops parallelize well, can be run on GPUs, clusters, what have you).