Brazilian leftists in general do have a history of radical opposition to the military police. Some radical left parties propose abolishing it outright. "The military police has got to end" is even a line in at least one leftist movie, uttered by a "fascist" police officer no less. It's definitely an idea in the memespace of the Brazilian left.
So in my opinion this "gaffe" is just him revealing his true colors in public. Like when someone gets drunk and starts saying what they're really thinking.
There were numerous fact checking services, none of them particularly trustworthy. The "official" fact checking came from Globo, which hosted the debate. They're known to be biased towards him. They literally helped him out during the debate when he started screwing up his time management.
I had Astra perform a thorough fact checking on both debates, and the fact checking of Globo and other major newspapers. It found a certain degree of favoritism towards Lula.
Ending the military police doesn't mean to end the police. It means replacing them with civil forces, trained to deal with the civilian population rather than being trained in a military fashion.
Also... Globo are known to be biased towards Lula? This is a joke, right? Their very owners invited Flávio Surubinha for a "casual" lunch on the day of his interview. Lula didn't get the same treatment.
> It means replacing them with civil forces
In other words, ending the military police. Replacing something with something else implies the destruction of the original.
They already ended it in practice. Nobody sane wants to sign up to be a military police officer in 2026. Anyone who does will end up getting sued by the very state they're supposed to be protecting before they're even out of the police academy, and it will screw up their future concurso options. São Paulo police forces had to expand their recruitment efforts to the whole country in order to find people dumb enough to sign up for it. The future is bleak.
> trained to deal with the civilian population rather than being trained in a military fashion
... The civilian drug trafficker population? The ones that walk around the favelas with pistols and assault rifles? The ones that drop grenades on police and rival gangs with drones?
Starting to wonder if you even live here.
> This is a joke, right?
No.
> Their very owners invited Flávio Surubinha for a "casual" lunch on the day of his interview.
Must not have been a good lunch then. Their journalists were literally sitting among Lula's people during the debate. They repeatedly tried to help him out with his time management instead of just shutting up and allowing him to screw it up. Their post-debate "fact checking" was also quite generous towards the old man. Bolsonaro: "Fake!!1". Lula: "Well see, it's not quite like that".
> In other words, ending the military police. Replacing something with something else implies the destruction of the original.
Sure but your original rhetoric made it seem like they wanted to stop policing. The change is one to make the police work for the civilian population, as opposed to the current training they receive where the population is the enemy.
> They already ended it in practice. Nobody sane wants to sign up to be a military police officer in 2026.
Because of body cams? Interesting.
> Anyone who does will end up getting sued by the very state they're supposed to be protecting before they're even out of the police academy
Really? Sued for what?
> ... The civilian drug trafficker population? The ones that walk around the favelas with pistols and assault rifles? The ones that drop grenades on police and rival gangs with drones?
This is a straw man. Obviously protecting the civilian population means fighting criminals, and they need to be trained for that. The vast majority of people in these communities are not criminals though, but they're seen and treated as that.
Starting to wonder if you've ever visited one or if you know people who live in them.
> Their post-debate "fact checking" was also quite generous towards the old man. Bolsonaro: "Fake!!1". Lula: "Well see, it's not quite like that".
He could have just stopped lying. Oh wait, that's actually not in his interest as then no one who's not a die hard Bolsonarista would vote for him.
> Sure but your original rhetoric made it seem like they wanted to stop policing.
If they didn't want that, they wouldn't demilitarize the police. Or vote against harsher sentences. Or defend early exit for criminals. Or turn police work into a legal nightmare.
> Sued for what?
For actually using their guns.
> Obviously protecting the civilian population means fighting criminals
They wouldn't demilitarize the police if it was that obvious.
Criminals? More like enemy combatants. Leadership, territory, army, laws, tribunals, even taxes. Drug gangs are their own nations and have pulled off an unannounced secession. The government needs to declare war on them and mobilize literal soldiers.
> they need to be trained for that
Yes, and equipped for that. In other words, they need to be military police.
> Starting to wonder if you've ever visited one or if you know people who live in them.
Worked in one. SUS primary care. Place I attended to got robbed during my time there. Government was dumb enough to buy some nice screens to display information on.
Coworker of mine saw a guy get executed right in front of him once. Responded to a 192 call and ended up face to face with a drug trafficker the second he hopped out of the ambulance, who then fired three shots into the patient who was agonizing on the floor, finishing him off. "Alright, you can take him now, doctor". To this day, ambulances do not drive up to the place where this happened without police escort.
> no one who's not a die hard Bolsonarista would vote for him
You're replying to one. Flávio is literally the anti-left, anti-worker's party, anti-supreme court vote. People can just pick their favorite reason.
You do know that the military polices are state-level, not Union/Federation, right?
I'm going to guess your experiences are either in SP or RJ. Neither have been governed by PT or anyone left-wing in a long time!
MG.
Yeah ok, then you did have 1 left-wing Government within the last few decades. Still, one.