cadamsdotcom 20 minutes ago

What if the gov tolerated gpu exports on purpose?

Black & grey market devices marked up many times cost buyers heavily, while still suppressing motivation to develop sovereignty.

If nvidia selling to China tolerated for the realpolitik and gets undone by incoming powers to create an appearance of change, is it really the right thing to do? Is it the smart thing to do?

It's an interesting thought experiment, though, we will probably never know.

  • layoric 7 minutes ago

    Yup, I think the same applies to traffic of arms regulations.. Private firms sell to countries they are 'allowed' to, passing it between organisations in a chain until they get to the original customer they couldn't sell to directly.. Cuts are taken along the way, and people making money look the other way..

saidnooneever 41 minutes ago

i dont know what is expected of export controls... they are never effective. they also find western chips in iranian drones etc. there is a huge gray area of resellers who resel to resellers etc. its pretty much uncontrollable....

  • wmchen 38 minutes ago

    Export controls inherently raise the cost of doing business with parties you don't like, the other party has to either invest more resources acquiring them, or make the decision to forego acquiring them. The grey market exists precisely because there's an opportunity to exploit this for profit. At the end of the day, when these effects of these export controls are discussed, they usually seem to revolve around export controls setting a specific program or effort back by a span of months, not in stopping a specific commodity from accessing another market whatsoever (excepting some hyper-specific components).

  • krona 32 minutes ago

    > its pretty much uncontrollable

    As Hezbollah discovered in 2024, covert supply-chain interdiction is very possible and I'd be surprised if the CIA didn't know what was going on, at least to some extent.

    • andy_ppp 29 minutes ago

      Yes or indeed supplying cards to the Chinese market with extras...

  • 0cf8612b2e1e 4 minutes ago

    During the Cold War, America used various shell companies to get valuable titanium out of Russia.

exabrial 13 minutes ago

I guarantee you this isn't an "accident". Whatever is being sent over there is loaded with its own special spyware lol

Cameri 9 minutes ago

So export controls are more like export friction