dreen 10 years ago

Could you give more information on how do some websites react to a google referer?

  • patio11 10 years ago

    The design intent is almost certainly using Google's "first click free" policy, which primarily applies to newspapers like the NYT or WSJ. Google back in the day struck a deal with the print media: they would remain in Google's index if and only if clicking from a Google search to their articles circumvented their paywall on the first click. If they put only partial content or a full paywall, they'd be delisted. It was not exactly a secret that this would mean that Google would rank scrapers higher for NYT articles than they'd rank the NYT.

    Thus, when someone posts a paywalled link to HN, someone inevitably posts the advice "Google the title and click through." (Other than, say, "If you're a working professional, just buy a WSJ and NYT subscription.")

    • Mahn 10 years ago

      So it's not so much that they intended to have a "first click free" policy in the first place but that they are forced to do an exception in order to remain in Google's index. That's interesting, I always wondered why didn't they apply the same policy to being linked in Reddit or HN.

      • donohoe 10 years ago

        Actually, some do. NYT for example allowed (maybe they still do) incoming links from Twitter & FB to bypass paywall

    • colinbartlett 10 years ago

      I am a working professional but I have always resisted buying a subscription because I don't want one single publication to become my de facto news source.

      I would love if I could pay $20 to $30 per month to some aggregator that lets me read articles from Al Jazeera, NY Times, WSJ, BBC, and a selection of other diverse sources.

      • stevesearer 10 years ago

        I like Circa News (take my money please!) because they aggregate news from a variety of sources and present news items in small bit sized chunks listing facts or statements. They also link to the appropriate sources. edit: and you can follow news stories to get updates when new information is available.

        • jerrac 10 years ago

          Never heard of Circa News before, thanks for mentioning it.

        • aaronbrethorst 10 years ago

          They're either shutting down or being acquired soon: http://fortune.com/2015/04/30/news-app-circa-buyer/

          • stevesearer 10 years ago

            That's unfortunate. I'd pay for it even if it were free otherwise because I like the service so much.

          • malnourish 10 years ago

            That's a damn shame. Their (android) app has unfortunately become significantly less useful due to technical reasons lately. I always did wonder how they would monetize.

      • indienkid 10 years ago

        If you get a chance you should check out BriefMe -- pretty much that, except free, with a very clean UI. http://www.getbriefme.com

        • rrrrob 10 years ago

          Oh my, that's a terrible site. So I have to watch a full page video to find out what I might want to install?

    • wodenokoto 10 years ago

      Weren't they the same publishers that were suing google for linking directly to their articles?

      • donohoe 10 years ago

        No. They weren't. Some mis-guided ones tried.

    • ascagnel_ 10 years ago

      One issue with the subscriptions, at least with the NYT, is that their pricing is a little crazy. The phone version is $15, the tablet version is $20, and both together are $30. It seems... excessive. WSJ at least (used to?) offer a single subscription that gives you access on all devices.

      • acdha 10 years ago

        Not to defend the NYT craziness, but that plan somewhat exists in the weekend print edition and should save you money, too. Subscribe, check the box in your account to have them donate your paper copy to a school or library, and enjoy access on all of your devices.

        • Tenhundfeld 10 years ago

          I didn't see that option when I signed up a few years ago. When I look at my account now, the only place I see that option is when requesting Vacation Suspension. Do you happen to know if there's a place on the website to set this indefinitely? I guess I can call.

          • acdha 10 years ago

            I'm on permanent vacation as far as the NYT knows

            • Tenhundfeld 10 years ago

              Gotcha, and it sounds like that doesn't affect your digital access. Thanks for the tip. At least 50% of time, we just throw away our physical Sunday paper without ever looking at it. It's ridiculous, but I couldn't find any friends who wanted it.

  • lfuller 10 years ago

    Many news websites will pop up a paywall if you visit a link directly, but won't if you arrive from a Google search.

    • wlesieutre 10 years ago

      The reason for this being that Google results penalize sites that show content to the crawler and then hide it from people who visit the page (ie non-subscribers). If they want it in the index, it has to be actually viewable.

      The alternative would be to not show paywalled content to Google's crawlers, and have them entirely left out of search results.

  • amyjess 10 years ago

    I've seen some websites highlight your search terms for you. It's kinda useful, but it's also kinda creepy at the same time.

kuschku 10 years ago

Did someone make a Firefox version yet?