points by devgutt 10 years ago

I always thought that Homejoy were planning to automate as much as possible, if not everything, related to cleaning services using robotics and stuff, and that humans were only a temporary measure while developing technology. Sadly no, they were optimizing for human cleaning. They could have kept them as contractors while support them providing free education and resources to reallocation in the work force. This would be much better to society instead of organizing the modern slavery.

brc 10 years ago

Just because you might not like cleaning, it's a stretch to imagine that casual cleaners don't like their job.

Saying someone on by low wage job is 'modern slavery' is pretty obtuse when real life actual slavery is happening right now in parts of the world.

  • kefka 10 years ago

    Just because no single person owns you, still doesn't mean you are working for basic subsistence in slavery-like conditions. And others knowing that can, and will abuse you because of that.

    • DanBC 10 years ago

      Sure. Does any work that complies with current US law meet that bar though?

      Children working on tobacco farms maybe do count. (And even if they're not slaves it's still a big problem).

      But to suggest that domestic cleaners working for Holejoy os pretty insulting to the people who are working in illegal slave like conditions in the US.

  • devgutt 10 years ago

    yes, maybe I am wrong, but in my opinion, there isn't a SINGLE person in the world that would like to make a living cleaning the mess of others.

    >Saying someone on by low wage job is 'modern slavery' is pretty obtuse when real life actual slavery is happening right now in parts of the world.

    This is exactly the reason I used "modern slavery".

    • DanBC 10 years ago

      "Modern slavery" does not include "low paid menial work".

      Modern spavery exists in several different forms: actual slavery, bonded labour, and forced labour.

      Employment compliant with US law is unlikely to meet those definitions. (Although children working in US tobacco farms is legal and problematic).

      http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2013/apr/03/mo...

      http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_mod...

      Maybe you meant "wage slave"? There's probably better terms, becase as soon as you mention "slave" people will think you mean slavery, and "wage slaves" are not in any sense slaves.

      • devgutt 10 years ago

        Do you think they called "slavery" in the past?

        • DanBC 10 years ago

          I don't understand what you mean?

          • devgutt 10 years ago

            What I mean is what is not considered slavery now, could be reconsidered as so in the future. I believe so in this case.

        • brc 10 years ago

          Yes, that's exactly what they called it.

    • toddh 10 years ago

      I've done a lot of cleaning and as a job I generally liked it. You have a set task, you see the result, and when you are done you are done. It can be quite rewarding. The pay sucked, but that's far from slavery.

      • devgutt 10 years ago

        Interesting. Although I could afford it, I never allowed myself to hire cleaners because I refused to explore a person to clean my own mess. My mess, my responsibility, I clean it. It's interesting to know that people would willingly work with cleaning even if they have other options.

    • zzalpha 10 years ago

      And yet my mom runs a cleaning business and quite enjoys the satisfaction she gets from the work.

      So yes: you're wrong.

puranjay 10 years ago

We'll have automated cars waaay before a robot learns to make my bed, clean the edges around my bookshelves, and separate my whites from my colors

  • tzs 10 years ago

    Separating whites from coloreds [1] should be achievable now. There's a robot that can take a pair of socks and determine if one is inside out and if so invert it. That involves more subtle distinction of colors than merely separating whites from coloreds should.

    Here's a video of the robot in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKUaVzf3Oqw

    It's a little bit NSFW.

    • puranjay 10 years ago

      Haha. I don't know why, but I find that robot equal parts hilarious and adorable

ams6110 10 years ago

Realistically, robot house-cleaners that can compete with a human both in terms of ability and cost are decades away. Not something you can build a business on today.

  • devgutt 10 years ago

    I'm talking about different robots for different tasks. We already use a lot of them. In terms of costs, this is the catch, these robots could be delivered on-demand in the houses. This could be the startup. Even if the "perfect" technology were decades away, this is a good mission, with a good transient plan.

    • S4M 10 years ago

      Yes, Homejoy could have developed and provided to its cleaners tools to make the cleaning faster (for example: something that would be to a toilet brush what a hoover is to a mop - I have no idea how to develop such a thing), making the overall cleaning cheaper - it would take less time, and cleaners charge per hour.

      • devgutt 10 years ago

        it would also change the way furniture and house equipment are made to facilitate cleaning.

anthnguyen94 10 years ago

Developing technology for cleaning is a lot to ask for a social software startup...