kashnote 3 hours ago

I think we need to have a little more sympathy for GitHub. You could justify the jabs when we could all blame any outage on the migration to Azure, but then they shared numbers around the scale they're dealing with now that everyone is constantly building and pushing with AI.

I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers. Yes, they need to get this figured out, but a little sympathy goes a long way. I personally wish them the best and hope their on-call people can go back to getting normal amounts of sleep soon.

  • herpdyderp 3 hours ago

    > I think it's commendable that they're not limiting access to the site or (intentionally) throttling newcomers.

    I don't think this is commendable at all. I give GitHub a lot of money and I'm tired of it being wasted with downtime.

    • jjice 3 hours ago

      It's a shame that the GitHub org that we use at my job that we pay a lot of money for gets affected the same way my personal nonsense does.

      I don't know the architecture or any of that, but I feel like there could be (and it's not like they would've really known this until the last year or two with the massive spike) separate infrastructure for paid users/orgs vs free the same way they make the distinction with enterprise.

      I get the massive load changes that they are under over the last two years, but why does a bunch of vibe coded slop take down the same resources that my company pays for every single month and has for years? I imagine properly splitting that out would be an absolute headache and not worthwhile for them vs stabilizing the rest of the service, but damn it sucks when I get blocked at work because GH is down.

      • tempest_ 2 hours ago

        Our GitlabCE instance has been sitting in the racks for nearly two years with almost 100% uptime running on 10 year old xeons that have long since paid for themselves.

        Of course it is not free of all management but for our use case it is working.

        There are hiccups with the CI runners from time time but nothing major and we have another machine in another rack that serves as a backup which can be brought up ~< 20 minutes.

        I know companies have long since tossed their expertise for hosting their own stuff in favour of SaaS but at some point its hard to beat the up time of a single machine.

        • Uvix 1 hour ago

          We have the expertise. We don’t have the interest in fighting our internal “security” teams to keep running VMs.

  • padjo 3 hours ago

    I don't typically have sympathy for businesses that fail to deliver a service as advertised.

    I can have sympathy for the humans caught in the crossfire but only managing one nine of availability on a commercial service is not acceptable.

  • gogobio 3 hours ago

    Sympathy? It's a Microsoft company that is being ran with a consistency of a startup in early seed rounds. Their downtime is abhorrent and unacceptable as far as enterprise goes. Their engineers look like absolute amateurs allowing for such low class work it results in their customers experiencing industry leading downtime.

    • javier2 3 hours ago

      and it has been so damn slow for a number of years now, it drives me insane.

    • zvmaz 1 hour ago

      > Their engineers look like absolute amateurs allowing for such low class work it results in their customers experiencing industry leading downtime.

      I gather that you have intimate and deep knowledge on the teams and the problems they try to solve there.

      • californical 1 hour ago

        If I own a restaurant and buy bread from a supplier — BreadHub.

        And 99% of the bread that I get is good but 1% of the loaves, they forgot to add flour. Consistently, for years, they always have loaves missing a key ingredient that I still end up paying for.

        I can be pretty sure that BreadHub have a pretty major internal issue, and should probably be questioning their competence, regardless of their “scale”, and without any knowledge of the “problems they’re solving”

        • tyre 1 hour ago

          I’m not saying users don’t have a right to be pissed or aren’t justified in looking at other options.

          I’m saying that GH is operating at a huge scale with (probably) lots of technical debt and a forced migration to new infrastructure.

          I would be (and am) highly critical of leadership. I’m not going to make strong assertions about ICs without knowing their context. I’ve worked at a company with a sterling reputation for engineering excellence where brilliant ICs were kneecapped by poor leadership.

          I think a lot of us, at one point or another in our careers, have worked with potato leadership that can be short-sighted or political. It isn’t a comment on the engineers.

        • tryauuum 56 minutes ago

          Please don't do it. Now somebody will come and will try to improve your bread analogy. We will be discussing bread for eons

          • CoastalCoder 18 minutes ago

            Okay, let's use a car analogy...

        • kayfox 56 minutes ago

          I see you haven't experienced USFoods and Sysco.

    • tyre 1 hour ago

      This is uncharitable, rude, and pretty baseless. Unless you have a lot of direct, personal information about GitHub engineers, they’re dealing with a huge spike in traffic.

      Is their uptime acceptable? No. But personal attacks aren’t necessary or constructive.

      • logicchains 22 minutes ago

        How low would uptime have to get before you'd consider holding the engineers personally responsible for it?

        • vrosas 5 minutes ago

          Agreed. At some point to have to stop hugging your ops team and start firing them.

    • majormajor 40 minutes ago

      Their engineers almost certainly are not the ones making the decision to let all the new traffic degrade their service for their existing paid customers.

    • grumple 13 minutes ago

      Typically when a company gets acquired, they get thrown a bunch of terrible initiatives like “change your cloud provider” that distract from their mission, executives saying “more AI!” and they definitely don’t hear anyone in management say “prioritize technical debt”.

  • mronetwo 3 hours ago

    We have a business relationship so no we shouldn’t have any sympathy. They sell a service and they’re failing to provide it.

    • amelius 3 hours ago

      Why? If we have sympathy for Apple then we can have sympathy for Microsoft ...

      • mirashii 2 hours ago

        You're the only mention of Apple in this thread, and I don't see what they have to do with it.

      • pimeys 2 hours ago

        Wait, I don't sympathize Apple at all... Or any other American corporation.

  • JDups 3 hours ago

    Constant building with AI is something that they (Microsoft) promote and are heavily invested in.

  • dpz 3 hours ago

    Maybe for a free account.

    But we pay enterprise license and GitHub is a big dependency in our software flow.

    If this continues to be a problem as an enterprise product they need to do something. Otherwise theyre are going to to start losing business

  • theideaofcoffee 2 hours ago

    Give me a break. Sympathy? For microsoft? That might have flown when github was like seven people, but they have nearly unlimited resources to make it better. They're just choosing not to. Let's talk contracts and money before we pull the sympathy card.

    I used to be on-call in a high-traffic environment where single customers pushed more bits than entire nations. I chose the role. I didn't want people's sympathy, if anything, I wanted them to complain to management.

    If it gets too bad they can quit. Maybe that would be for the best, just wear the thing down until it outright fails and no one wants to touch it. One less bullshit service sucking all of the oxygen out.

  • niltecedu 2 hours ago

    idk man, we pay stupid amounts of money to microsoft, we are an enterprise customer, expecting better availablity compared to my laptop isnt really a high bar.

  • jraph 2 hours ago

    They did that to themselves, and doubly so.

    They decided they needed to capture the whole open source ecosystem by turning open source work into social networking... on a proprietary platform (because open source is great, especially when it's others' software). That was before they joined Microsoft.

    And then Microsoft pushed AI everywhere, including on GitHub itself with copilot.

    I would have liked if they had left the open source projects alone and didn't create that FOMO for not using them.

    I have no sympathy.

    • kstrauser 2 hours ago

      > And then Microsoft pushed AI everywhere, including on GitHub itself with copilot.

      Ding ding ding, we have a winner. I like AI. I work for an AI company. Still, Microsoft aggressively pushed GitHub users toward Copilot. They don't get to do that and complain about increased volume from AI-generated changes.

      No Copilot + reasonable operation: the way things were

      Copilot + reasonable operation: Well done!

      No Copilot + being overwhelmed by AI commits: Sympathy.

      Copilot + being overwhelmed by AI commits: "Where did that petard come from that's hoisting us?"

  • VCFundedGenYer 2 hours ago

    "Leave the big trillion dollar corporation alone" is not the right idea.

  • mcmcmc 2 hours ago

    It’s commendable that they let people give them training data for free?

  • sandeepkd 1 hour ago

    I think somewhere down the line you have an answer to problem itself. Its for a while that companies are not into the business of sympathies, we should probably not get into that side for the topic.

    1. Github has enterprise users who paid for the service, their day job requires Github to be available and working

    2. Github has generous free tier which is the one which is exploring a lot more with the AI generated code.

    It is a complexity in itself but the traffic should have been separated, the free users should not be allowed to bring down Github for enterprise customers (Just to clarify, I am free user myself). And if they do not have capacity it would have been perfectly fine to push back or throttle new users/repositories.

    • IcyWindows 1 hour ago

      Do we have a breakdown on how much traffic is free users vs paid users?

      • reassess_blind 1 hour ago

        I’d be surprised if paid traffic was more than 1%.

    • tyre 1 hour ago

      I agree that they should reserve capacity for enterprises and paying users.

      But I think they’re in a tough spot. GitHub has historically been a huge supporter, proponent, and provider for open source projects. Engineers are difficult customers, to say the least, and the community would likely freak tf out of the segmented traffic.

      The logical, pragmatic, and justifiable answer doesn’t always align with your market.

      • sandeepkd 45 minutes ago

        Not sure if I would agree to that completely. Free tier is always ripe for abuse so in the beginning for a long time, Github has this requirement that you can only have a public repository if you are a non-paying user. Somewhere down the road when machine learning picked up (everyone was on the band wagon of hoarding the data, datalakes, hadoop, flink were at the top) they relaxed that condition allowing one to have a private repository on the free tier.

        They are in a tough spot cause they want to continuously ingest all the data to train their LLMs. Any fork or decentralization at large scale of git is going to impact the training pipeline.

  • 0xbadcafebee 1 hour ago

    Our company pays for GitHub. We're paying for a broken product that stops our work. I don't have sympathy for the companies whom I pay for a product and give me broken shit in return. This is entirely preventable and their own fault.

    A restaurant makes pizzas. They suddenly get 100x more popular. They can't make 100x more pizzas. But they are still taking orders from 100x more people. Not only are they not getting enough pizzas delivered that they took orders for, but in their rush to make and deliver more pizzas, they set the kitchen on fire, which makes an even longer wait for pizzas.

    When the pizza you ordered doesn't get delivered, do you have sympathy for the restaurant? Or do you tell them to stop taking orders they can't fill and try not to set the kitchen on fire?

    Now consider the pizza restaurant has 21 billion dollars in cash, is taking your money, and not giving you pizza.

  • bluerooibos 1 hour ago

    > have a little more sympathy for the billion dollar company

    No.

    Their leadership went all in on AI and in the last blog post essentially admitted some missing test coverage for a critical path. Time to learn lessons and fix your vibe coded shitslop and stop using "user graph go up" as some kind of excuse.

  • alwa 1 hour ago

    For that matter, I admire their relative transparency about their incidents. I can think of other big players who will cheerfully show green statuses across the board while everyone can see that their pants are down...

  • Aeolun 51 minutes ago

    Yeah, all those 1100 commits per second. Like, is this the standard for 'scale of traffic' that we're impressed by these days? And it's not like this snuck up on them. The graph shows a very consistent trend that gave them months and months to respond.

  • rgbrenner 49 minutes ago

    Microsoft made $134B in net profit last year, and is currently valued at nearly $4T. They have the resources to solve this if they wanted to.

  • minaguib 44 minutes ago

    Paying enterprise clients who can not push/pull code and collaborate on PRs (table-stakes) disagree with having a little more sympathy.

  • loloquwowndueo 41 minutes ago

    I’d have sympathy for the pre-Microsoft GitHub. For the thing they are now, backed by a top-5 company with trillions of dollars? Cry me a river.

  • aduwah 37 minutes ago

    Depends who you are aiming sympathy at. C-levels or Engineering?

  • madrox 29 minutes ago

    I have a lot of sympathy for the people working at GitHub trying to keep it going, but I do not have sympathy for GitHub. That's what they're paid for. I have things to get done, and it has no sympathy for me.

  • rpearl 13 minutes ago

    If you do the math, their numbers are something like 1000 commits per second. That's not pushes per second either, it's just the total number of commits summed up over a week, not all of which trigger much of anything to happen.

    Yes, that is scale. And yes, that's not actual requests per second. But it's the sort of scale that big (and even mid-sized) tech has known how to deal with for decades. Microsoft doesn't have an excuse.

  • ChrisMarshallNY 8 minutes ago

    I strongly suspect that quite a few HN members are busy creating agents that are furiously stuffing GH.

    As I said before (and it was not a popular comment), it's easy to be an "armchair quarterback," with these services, as I think the brittleness was already baked in, and just waiting for the right time to crack. The only true way to have a robust platform, is to design something that will scale, from the start, and many startups don't do that, because they are feverishly trying to get out an MVP; even if it is a mess of bubblegum and baling wire.

    They always say "We'll get it done right, once we get funding," but that never happens.

    But my sympathy is limited by the fact that MS paid a lot of money for this, quite a while ago, and that is one company that knows all about issues of scale. They should have seen this coming.

joshuahedlund 1 hour ago

Given that the outages are caused by record traffic, so far they are only cooked in the Yogi Berra sense of “Nobody goes there anymore, it’s too crowded”

  • Bratmon 41 minutes ago

    Many people think we're on the path to having separate webs for AIs and humans. This may be the beginning of that.

    • bluefirebrand 28 minutes ago

      As much as I would like that to happen, I don't think it is at all possible until we solve the "is a human" problem.

  • majormajor 35 minutes ago

    Random AI slop code pushers don't pay the bills. Traffic isn't revenue.

    I've started suggesting to my CTO that we move to something else because we do pay the Github bills and yet we are also affected by other people's activity. Avoiding that is not a hard engineering problem for an alternative.

    A world where a record amount of code is pushed to GH but a large amount of paying customers leave would be "cooked"

  • Waterluvian 24 minutes ago

    Gets me wondering… if I get used to the fact that some location is busy, I stop going there. Other people might do the same. Could this create a detectable wavy signal over time? People stop going because it’s busy. It stops being busy. People go because it’s not busy. Repeat. Is this a known phenomenon?

Fuzzwah 2 hours ago

Near the end of the 8.5 years that I worked at GitHub as an enterprise support engineer, I asked in an all hands if a "GitHub Classic" product had been considered. Much like World of Warcraft Classic, I imagined it would be a rewrite focused on matching the simpler feature set of the past.

I was basically given the same response that blizzard gave that question; "you think you want that but you don't".

JeremyHerrman 3 hours ago

> "GitHub has had 1125 incidents since February 2016, implying a monthly incident rate of 24"

1125 incidents / 126 months ≈ 8.9 incidents per month, not 24

still terrible, but why such an obvious error in the first sentence...

  • 4petesake 3 hours ago

    Prob used Copilot to write the excel formula...

  • 6LLvveMx2koXfwn 2 hours ago

    Not sure whether it has been updated since your comment, but the sentence now reads:

        GitHub has had 1125 incidents since March 2016. Over the last 3 months, they've averaged 24 incidents per month
    

    edit: although they also have 1.2 days of downtime (in a day) for their 'worst days' of downtime table, which suggests some auto number crunching is not working as expected.

    • gen220 2 hours ago

      Yes I tweaked it! The number and copy were mismatched and are no longer!

      That worst day is likely an overlapping incidents accounting issue; I tried to account for overlapping incidents in another view but probably failed to port it over there.

      Should be fixed soon!

  • stevage 2 hours ago

    > GitHub has had 1125 incidents since March 2016. Over the last 3 months, they've averaged 24 incidents per month (↓ 5% vs prev 3mo).

    Looks like they fixed it already

  • graypegg 2 hours ago

    Ahhh, I think the author mixed up two values here. That value seems to actually be the average over the past 3 months.

        const incidents = e.detail.incidents;
        
        // ...snip...
        
        const now = new Date();
        const threeMonthsAgo = new Date(now);
        threeMonthsAgo.setMonth(threeMonthsAgo.getMonth() - 3);
        
        // ...snip...
        
        var currentFreq = recentIncidents.length / 3; // <- We out here, smoking these guns with our homeboy Claude
        
        // ...snip...
        
        var earliest = null;
        for (var j = 0; j < incidents.length; j++) {
          var dd = new Date(incidents[j].started_at); // <- eventually incidents[j].started_at is "2016-03-01T07:07:37.000Z"
          if (!earliest || dd < earliest) earliest = dd;
        }
        
        // ...snip...
        
        document.getElementById('n-since').textContent = earliest
          ? earliest.toLocaleDateString('en-US', { month: 'long', year: 'numeric' })
          : '?';
        document.getElementById('n-rate').textContent = Math.round(currentFreq * 10) / 10;
    
    

    #n-since is going to be either march or feburary. It'll change depending on your timezone because JS's Date object always shifts the date around to match the same instant but in the system's timezone.

    #n-rate has nothing to do with the #n-since month, it's just the last trailing 3 months. And even then, it's sort of underbaked? It's moving the date back by 3 calendar months not taking into account differing numbers of days, so it'll under-report short months.

    I wouldn't trust the stats here.

    Edit: whoops, author updated the template while I was writing this! It now says "Over the last 3 months", though that's still calendar months.

_heimdall 1 hour ago

I feel for the team having to deal with these problems at github today. Its also beyond me how those in charge for years wouldn't have seen this coming.

Github was bought by Microsoft, whether they wanted to acknowledge that internally or not. Microsoft went deep on LLMs, and specifically on LLMs for coding use cases. They must have recognized that LLM generated code and PRs would effectively DDoS GitHub.

I can only assume they simply didn't care, likely driven by greed.

xyzzy_plugh 1 hour ago

Is GitHub Cooked? Decidedly yes.

Migrating to something else has been raised as a concern during every engagement with clients and prospective clients in the past year.

"Do you use GitHub?"

"Yes though we'd like to move to something else, we just don't know what yet."

As soon as the next big thing shows up, they're done. And they know it.

404mm 3 hours ago

If backend GitHub services are anything like GHES then I’m surprised it even managed to scale this much.

nightpool 3 hours ago

Getting rid of Actions and Copilot and other secondary services almost halves Github's incident rate: https://i.imgur.com/XPcMIFr.png

I'm a big fan of Github Actions and I think people are often a little too harsh on it, but it's clear that it's sad that it's come at such a high cost to the platform's stability

  • Normal_gaussian 2 hours ago

    Actions aren't secondary to most paid GH users; and if they are down it usually means no deployments and no tests, which can often halt work.

  • isityettime 2 hours ago

    GitHub Actions is really, really badly designed. The security model is fundamentally broken, the YAML hell is as bad as any, the log streaming lags like hell, they charge self-hosted runners for using their coordination plane, jobs queuing is really slow, and their software for actually running jobs is cursed and designed in a way that is practically hostile to self-hosting.

    GitHub Actions is god-awful. Have you ever used any other CI tools?

djieidj283 2 hours ago

It’s ironic that the SCM that 2026 software engineers landed on, is one with a complicated distributed usage model and is slow/down because of a centralised service

GrumpySciGuy 3 hours ago

Yes, but I did not need to look at the tracker to know that.....

arlattimore 4 hours ago

I literally chuckled out loud when I saw the headline :D

kevmo 4 hours ago

An important thing to consider is how much of their uptime without incidents is not the normal working hours. Their incident-free uptime on 9-5 EST, Mon-Fri, is probably like 60%.

  • perfectstorm 3 hours ago

    what's normal working hours? very US centric comment IMO. Europe, India, China, Latam etc. don't fall into your 9-5 EST normal working hour bucket.

    • padjo 3 hours ago

      A service like GH will still show a daily usage pattern, often with a peak somewhere around 16:00 UTC when most of the US and Europe are at work.

    • boredatoms 3 hours ago

      Im fairly certain that SWEs only exist on the US west coast

  • CoastalCoder 3 hours ago

    > Their incident-free uptime on 9-5 EST, Mon-Fri, is probably like 60%.

    And it may be even worse in EDT, which is currently in effect!

  • thombles 3 hours ago

    As a daily GitHub user in Australia I still haven’t figured out why everyone’s complaining about uptime. :)

rvz 3 hours ago

They were cooked the moment they got acquired by Microsoft.

This is why I foresaw that centralizing everything to GitHub was just generally a bad idea 6 years ago. [0]

Now that there is no CEO of GitHub, there is no point to GitHub improving.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22867803