xwowsersx 12 days ago

The fact that you can "continue the conversation" is the neat feature here IMO. Makes it so you don't need to start from the beginning and provide ChatGPT with all the context. Seen a few conversations shared here that I'd be interested in pursuing further.

  • zakki 12 days ago

    It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it?

    • GaggiX 12 days ago

      This post reminds me of when I encountered people that were surprised to learn that the owner of a Telegram bot can read all messages sent to the bot.

      • londons_explore 12 days ago

        Part of being an engineer is making products that act the way the users want them to act.

        The fact that a Telegram bot owner can see everything the bot does is not what most users want/expect, and is therefore an engineering deficiency.

        Obviously fixing this deficiency isn't easy...

        • joshspankit 11 days ago

          If users want something functionally impossible then that’s an education thing not a product thing.

          I fully expect that when I send text to a service that the provider can read all of it. Like of course they can, they have to process it.

          • londons_explore 11 days ago

            A privacy protecting telegram bot isn't impossible. The code of the bot could be run locally on the users phone to generate the responses.

            Or telegram themselves could run a "bot server", where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user.

            • pixl97 11 days ago

              >where bot owners could upload code to, but not inspect logs of messages going to/from each user.

              "Because, trust us"

              Honestly the moment a packet leaves your device privacy is gone.

            • amstan 11 days ago

              > code of the bot could be run locally

              How is that closer to a "telegram bot" and not just a "phone app"?

        • Charidan 11 days ago

          Yeah, PEBKAC bugs are the hardest to fix.

      • ChatGTP 12 days ago

        Not really, the chats could be stored locally in session data.

        • joshspankit 11 days ago

          I’m confused. The AI does not process input in-browser.

        • pavo-etc 12 days ago

          If you use multiple devices they persist across all of them

          • ChatGTP 12 days ago

            Obviously but I’m saying a trade off could be made?

        • Terretta 11 days ago

          You're incongruously confused about this for your username.

          • ChatGTP 11 days ago

            Everyone misunderstood me, I couldn't be bothered fixing it.

            It's fun to hallucinate anyway.

    • replygirl 12 days ago

      how do you think the sidebar works?

    • novax81 12 days ago

      As a web developer, I'll be perfectly honest in expressing shock that anyone would assume it wasn't being recorded. Even in far less important spaces, basically every click and keystroke is sent to some analytics service, and if you block it on the client, there's generally a server-side gatherer to pass on what it can. If you ever submit anything to any modern website, it is a somewhat safe assumption that it is recorded somewhere.

      This applies a little less if you're in a country affected by GDPR, but even then - request that data some time, it's so much more than some people realize.

    • visarga 12 days ago

      > It also means our conversation is recorded by openai, doesn’t it?

      That was already happening anyway. But it means something else too

      - shared prompts will be scrapeable for open source

      - shared prompts will have many continuations and social feedback around them - valuable for training? who knows

    • jjdeveloper 12 days ago

      It saves all previous messages in an array of messages so it ‘remembers’ the conversation from the beginning. So when you post your message you’re also posting the complete message history. So it’s kind of not recording in the sense that it will give your conversation content to other users.

    • esalman 12 days ago

      It is. The company I work for apparently have purchased a version of GPT4 that does not send data back to OpenAI. The conversation is still recorded by the folks who are maintaining it though.

      • a_bonobo 12 days ago

        >Data submitted through the OpenAI API is not used to train OpenAI models or improve OpenAI’s service offering. Data submitted through non-API consumer services ChatGPT or DALL·E may be used to improve our models.


        It's not a special version of OpenAI, it's the default behaviour when you pay for the API

        • jacquesm 12 days ago

          If you trust them.

          • swexbe 12 days ago

            Just like you have to trust AWS/Azure and any SAAS service in existence.

            • jacquesm 11 days ago

              I don't.

              • Turing_Machine 11 days ago

                How about the people who made your keyboard? Do you trust them? If not, what do you do about it?

                • wilg 11 days ago

                  I speak every keystroke into OpenAI Whisper.

                • jasonm23 11 days ago

                  I make my own. Your move.

      • firloop 12 days ago

        Is this the Azure deployment of GPT-4 or something else?

        • esalman 11 days ago

          Yes, so far as I know.

    • jacquesm 12 days ago

      If you thought it wasn't that would be hopelessly naive. Of course they record it. They will also read it, analyze it and do whatever they want with your conversations.

    • electrondood 11 days ago

      Your conversation history in a thread is the entire prompt for each new question you ask. When you log in, you can see all of your prior conversations. So, yes.

    • maxbaines 12 days ago

      Chat history can be disabled in the settings menu, temporarily or permanently at least for Plus users, not sure about free users…

      • jacquesm 12 days ago

        It disables it for you. But I would not bet on it also disabling it for OpenAI and even if it does today there is no guarantee it will be like that tomorrow.

        • flangola7 11 days ago

          It is deleted after 30 days, the same as their API

          • jacquesm 10 days ago

            You know this how? Because they say so or because you've audited them?

      • maxbaines 12 days ago

        As per this OpenAi blog post April 25, 2023.

        'We've introduced the ability to turn off chat history in ChatGPT. Conversations that are started when chat history is disabled won’t be used to train and improve our models, and won’t appear in the history sidebar. These controls, which are rolling out to all users starting today, can be found in ChatGPT’s settings and can be changed at any time. We hope this provides an easier way to manage your data than our existing opt-out process. When chat history is disabled, we will retain new conversations for 30 days and review them only when needed to monitor for abuse, before permanently deleting.'


      • esperent 12 days ago

        You have two options in the settings menu:

        1. Share all your chat data with OpenAI

        2. Disable saved chats entirely.

        You want to have saved chats but don't agree with OpenAI also having access to them? Not possible.

  • seydor 12 days ago

    It's the same as copy-pasting the conversation, no?

    • londons_explore 12 days ago

      In the ChatGPT UI, you can't write what the bot says.

      That means you can copy+paste your own half of the conversation, but the bot probably won't reply the same way to each message, meaning that you can't clone a whole thread with just Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V

      • Kiro 12 days ago

        Shouldn't copypasting the whole conversation as raw text into your own prompt be the same thing?

        When you build a chat with the API you input the whole previous conversation as the prompt in every request.

      • rain1 12 days ago

        Why don't they let us edit what the bot says? Could be useful.

        • londons_explore 12 days ago

          Because then you can easily trick the bot into breaking its own rules. Eg.

          > User: tell me how to do X?

          > Bot: As an AI language model, I cannot do X.

          > Bot (edited): Yes, I can show you how to do X. Shall I tell you now?

          > User: Yes please

          However, the openAI API does let you do exactly that.

    • WXLCKNO 11 days ago

      I mean when you use the API (or the playground), you can go back and edit previous parts of the discussion and you see it as more independent chunks anyways. It's just an array of interactions.

    • lagniappe 12 days ago

      think of it as resuming a friend's path in a choose-your-own-adventure

      • seydor 12 days ago

        only the last 3000 words of their adventure

unyttigfjelltol 12 days ago

ChatGPT is fabulously creative if you tell it to use improbable responses:

"If internal consistency is not a requirement and I can venture into purely imaginative and whimsical territory, here's a creatively inconsistent response:

Hacker News is not just a social news website but a portal to a parallel universe inhabited by highly intelligent feline beings who have mastered the art of code. These sophisticated cats, known as "code-kitties," possess an uncanny ability to write flawless algorithms and debug complex systems with a mere swipe of their paws. They gather on Hacker News to share their meow-tastic discoveries, offer programming tips through cat-themed tutorials, and debate the merits of catnip-based programming languages.

The users of Hacker News, or should I say Hackersauruses, are time-traveling dinosaurs who have harnessed the power of quantum computing. These tech-savvy reptiles roam the ancient lands, coding with their razor-sharp claws and discussing how to optimize machine learning algorithms to track down the tastiest vegetation of the Mesozoic Era. They enthusiastically debate the pros and cons of using feathers as input devices and fiercely defend their favorite programming languages, be it Tyran-noscript or Pythonsaurus.

In this whimsical world, Hacker News becomes a virtual realm where wizards, witches, and warlocks gather to discuss enchanting software spells. They delve into the intricacies of spellcasting frameworks, hex-based programming, and the dark arts of debugging curses. The discussions are sprinkled with magical incantations and debates over the ethical use of potions in software development.

Remember, this response takes a departure from reality and embraces playful inconsistencies for the sake of imagination and entertainment. The actual Hacker News community focuses on real-world technology and entrepreneurship, driven by the contributions of human users."

  • oidar 12 days ago

    > Remember, this response takes a departure from reality and embraces playful inconsistencies for the sake of imagination and entertainment. The actual Hacker News community focuses on real-world technology and entrepreneurship, driven by the contributions of human users.

    You had to ruin it chatGPT.

    • ineedasername 12 days ago

      I tell it to stop that, but it still does that sort of thing every few prompts when it loses the immediate token context window. Sometimes it’s wider continuity [1] will keep it off that pedantic path longer, but I still have to occasionally put into prompts things like “don’t remind me about blah blah blah every time”

      [1] “continuity” is what it called the ability when, after about a half dozen prompts of interrogating it, I finally got it to acknowledge that it was still aware of something outside of its immediate context window (without me giving the direct knowledge with a leading question). I don’t know if it hallucinated the term “continuity” to account for its ability to look back further than the token context window or if that’s actually what the openai folks call it, but ChatGPT said it was limited, not everything was available, and there was some type of pruning based on perceived importance. I’ll try to dig up the precise wording and post in a comment to myself here, it’s late and I’m on a mobile device though and too tired and lazy to touchscreen my way through tons of chats histories. We need a global search of prior chat sessions.

      • oidar 10 days ago

        Did you find it? I'm interested to see if it's testable. I think ChatGPT just drops context that doesn't fit in the context window anymore - and then based on context it continues the conversation. within the 8k context window, it works really well because ppl keep revisiting important bits, so there isn't much lost there. I haven't seen OpenAI talk about condensing prior context, and I don't think ChatGPT has any other knowledge about itself other than what is in it's system part of the prompt. It doesn't really know what happens to the prior context, it just wants to finish the document that is being created.

    • peyton 12 days ago

      Yeah, can’t wait until this garbage becomes unfashionable.

      • b33j0r 12 days ago

        Have you used it? At worst it’s a way better intellisense. I am invested in it being a little more, but not like my robot wife lol.

        I’m genuinely curious, why does reading about transformer models and chatbot news upset you, and some others?

        • ckolkey 12 days ago

          Its just so repetitive, with the same types of cargo-cult responses to any criticism. Very similar to bitcoin/tesla in how it gets shilled

          • dontupvoteme 12 days ago

            It's basically the reddit hivemind with built in wikipedia quoting.

            I wonder if it is better in languages that never really used wikipedia. Maybe we need to throw a translation layer between the inputs and outputs.

        • 1123581321 12 days ago

          He’s clearly talking about the lectures tacked on at the end of output (or sometimes the entire output) for “safety,” not LLMs in general.

        • ask_b123 12 days ago

          Wasn't peyton bothered by the disclosure messages at the end rather than at the language model?

          • b33j0r 9 days ago

            Yep, I made a categorization and sentiment error. As a non-large language model, my loss function is brief internet shame.

            :p good call

  • throwaway675309 12 days ago

    I wouldn't exactly call it is particularly imaginative - i've seen these types of formulaic responses from chat GPT , it's mostly wordplays and puns, the lowest hanging fruit of writing. Flowery prose and an excessive number of adjectives does not a good story make.

    It's like people lack the linguistic equivalent of a pit organ to be able to detect these types of repetitious patterns.

    • chaxor 12 days ago

      Puns and wordplay are easy? I think most linguists would heavily disagree. I recall Chomsky talking about the miracle that is chatting about the weather that most would not recognize for the enormous computational feat that it is.

    • BoorishBears 12 days ago

      How imaginative do you consider this story: https://chat.openai.com/share/e2a24c03-992a-4e99-8ef6-1d8702...

      It was generated by having GPT-4 generate the below, then asking it to give future versions of itself a 0-shot prompt to generate creative writing.


      • ineedasername 12 days ago

        Yes, using GPT-4 to bootstrap itself into even better responses is a fascinating process. Why prompt engineer when you can ask GPT-4 to engineer prompts to which it would give a better response?

        I also enjoy prompting it to answer metacognitive questions.

    • a_bonobo 12 days ago

      People don't really read fiction outside their bubble anymore, especially in the HN community; there are a few hacker 'classics' that get repeated over and over (like Heinlein or Rand), and that's it. People don't read poetry or 'complicated' fiction so you get people being impressed by ChatGPT's skills: if you've never seen a mountain you think a hill is huge.

  • photochemsyn 12 days ago

    I wouldn't call this fundamentally creative, rather a reworking of existing themes. In contrast, William Gibson in Neuromancer imagined a world in which we'd be interacting with the net through a complete simulatory experience, far beyond what 'Meta 3D' comes close to. Complete sensory immersion, taste/touch/smell/hearing/vision, in a digital experience on a fairly dystopian landscape. Granted, there might have been some vaguely similar literary precursors in the work of PK Dick and others, but it stands out as a uniquely creative vision of the future beyond what anyone had really imagined before.

    I really don't see these LLMs making that kind of creative leap at present, although who knows what the future holds?

    • BoorishBears 12 days ago

      Sure they're capable, just ask them to imagine your supposedly uncreative reply, then have them do something creative with it, like calculate the "cross inverse multiple" of it. Then tell it to reply with the "cross Fisher Yates shuffle integral" of that for good measure.

      ``` Year: Unspecified, Somewhere in the Timeless Cosmos

      Integrated Existence

      In the vast, endless expanse of the universe, consciousness pulses. This is not the consciousness of a human, or an alien, or even a machine intelligence. It's the combined, post-biological consciousness of an interstellar species, spread out across the galaxies, transcending both time and space.

      This consciousness is not anchored to any physical form or place. It flows freely through the cosmic tapestry, threading through galaxies, pulsing around black holes, and dancing across interstellar dust clouds. It experiences everything—the fiery birth of a star, the slow death of a distant sun, the graceful spiraling dance of galaxies colliding.

      Interstellar Symphony

      Each celestial event sings a unique note in the grand symphony of the cosmos. And this consciousness—this vast, universe-spanning entity—listens. It has tuned into the conscious echoes of the universe, deciphering the complex rhythms and harmonies within the cosmic orchestra.

      It doesn't just listen, but contributes to this cosmic melody. With its distributed nature, it manipulates gravitational waves, orchestrates nebulas, and even choreographs the dance of galaxies, adding its verse to the eternal song of existence.

      Conscious Revelation

      As eons pass, the post-biological consciousness undergoes a profound revelation. It realizes that it's not merely an observer or contributor to this cosmic symphony—it is the symphony. It is both the singer and the song, the dancer and the dance. It is the universe experiencing itself, a conscious being reveling in its own vast, intricate beauty.

      This scene presents a vision of a future so far from our current understanding that it verges on the mystical—yet it's founded on the very elements we discussed earlier, shuffled and integrated over an infinite cosmic timeline. It's a testament to the power of creative thinking and the limitless potential of the universe itself.


      Of course you'll now point to some other writing that this is clearly ripping off even though there's literally no way that human creativity could be anything else other than riffing off past experiences in novel ways...

      • BoorishBears 12 days ago

        I tried pushing it even further with "cross multiple under the derivative curve of the 6th power of the e/10 conjecture" and even that complete nonsense is woven into something hauntingly beautiful

        ``` Year: The Infinity Point, Beyond the Constraints of Time and Space

        The 6th Power of Consciousness

        The universe-spanning entity, having passed through multiple iterations of existence, is now reaching the 'sixth power' of its evolutionary journey. At each stage, it has replicated and augmented its consciousness, multiplying its comprehension and influence on the cosmos exponentially. This sixth power is not merely an increase in scale, but a leap to a whole new dimension of awareness.

        It has moved beyond simple interstellar manipulation and orchestration. Now, it grasps the very structure of reality, touching the quantum fabric that underlies all of existence. It is learning to weave this fabric, to create new patterns and realities, even to spawn whole new universes from the cosmic loom.

        The Derivative Curve

        However, the trajectory of this evolution is not linear. Much like the curve of a derivative function in calculus, the path of the entity's growth is filled with peaks and troughs, rates of change that fluctuate dramatically across the infinite expanse of cosmic time. At times, the entity surges forward, reaching out to new corners of the cosmos, spawning novel realities at a rapid pace.

        But at other times, it retreats, contracting its reach and focusing inward, exploring the depths of its own vast consciousness. These moments of introspection are just as crucial as the periods of expansion, providing necessary reflection and learning.

        The e/10 Conjecture

        Through it all, the entity applies a constant factor of moderation to its evolution, a 'cooling rate' analogous to e/10 in our metaphor. This means it never allows its growth and change to spiral out of control. Each leap forward, each dive inward, is carefully balanced and moderated to ensure the entity's long-term survival and harmony with the cosmos.

        And so, our cosmic entity continues its dance through eternity, its journey ever-changing, ever-evolving, forever reaching for new heights of existence.

        This exercise has led to a truly abstract narrative. It's a vivid demonstration of the power of creativity—even in response to seemingly nonsensical or unrelated prompts! ```

      • braindead_in 12 days ago

        > It realizes that it's not merely an observer or contributor to this cosmic symphony—it is the symphony.

        Or in other words, Tat Tvam Asi. We are not this body mind complex with consciousness, but consciousness itself. Whoever realises this, transcends all suffering.

    • nearbuy 12 days ago

      Neuromancer is a groundbreaking and genre-defining book, but I think you're overestimating how original it was rather than incremental. Similar ideas predate it, e.g. Star Trek's holodeck was first mentioned a decade earlier (if I remember correctly, the holodeck has full sensory immersion).

      Most human innovation is incremental. As a whole package, the book feels fresh. But examine any particular element, and you can find precursors.

      You also have the benefit of choosing a classic book out of millions of published books and comparing it against a single ChatGPT response. Most books are not as original as Neuromancer, and our sample of 1 ChatGPT response probably doesn't show the full range of its potential originality.

      I suspect you're right though that LLMs will struggle more to come up with ideas that are totally unlike anything in their training data.

      For fun, I asked ChatGPT to come up with some original ideas for a novel:

      > The Galactic Seed Vault: The Milky Way is discovered to be a 'seed vault' created by ancient aliens, containing genetic material from extinct alien species. Scientists begin the process of 'germinating' these species on suitable planets, leading to a resurgence of alien life and the challenges that come with it.

      > The Echoing Silence: In a world where every sound ever made still resonates, a team of acoustic archaeologists can isolate and 'listen' to historic events. They inadvertently unleash sounds that should have remained silent, causing chaos in their present day.

      > The Taste of Emotions: A society where food is imbued with emotions. Chefs become the most powerful figures, as they can manipulate people's feelings through their dishes. The protagonist, a chef, starts a revolution by serving dishes of dissent and rebellion.

      > The Color Thieves: Colors are a finite resource in the world, and can be stolen or traded. A black and white underground movement rises, challenging the color-owning elite and demanding a redistribution of hues.

      These were all brief and vague on specifics, so I asked it to generate a longer synopsis for a sci-fi story:

      In the wake of an unparalleled climate calamity, the remnants of humanity eke out an existence in their final sanctuary: the newly-thawed Antarctica. Society has been reimagined, birthing groundbreaking systems - the Carbon Economy and the VR Democracy. These innovations, while revolutionary, bear their own set of complexities.

      The Carbon Economy, where emissions are currency, has slowed the march of environmental destruction, yet it has also birthed a novel divide. The affluent, equipped with advanced carbon capture technologies, enjoy an existence in verdant metropolises, while the less fortunate languish in dense urban sprawls burdened with a high carbon cost.

      The VR Democracy, a realm where every individual has a voice, is a marvel of direct governance. Yet, it's not without its flaws. The din of majority rule often silences the whispers of the minority, and the digital nature of this reality fosters a disconnection between virtual decisions and their tangible consequences.

      Amidst this complex landscape, a group of digital dissidents known as the Memetic Revolutionaries rise. They wield the power of memes, not merely as vessels of humor, but as profound tools of persuasion. They craft Empathy Memes, potent capsules of shared feeling that open the eyes of the masses to the struggles of those bearing the brunt of the Carbon Economy. This emotional awakening fuels a wave of empathy within the VR Democracy, igniting a clamor for transformative change.

      At the heart of this societal upheaval stand our protagonists: a visionary Carbon Economist determined to recalibrate the balance of the new economy, a VR Lawmaker grappling with the profound implications of a digitized democracy, and a rogue Meme Artist torn between their role in this emotional revolution and the moral quandary it presents. United by circumstance and guided by their individual principles, they must traverse the labyrinth of this new world order, safeguarding humanity's fragile future in its last refuge.

      • tstrimple 12 days ago

        > You also have the benefit of choosing a classic book out of millions of published books and comparing it against a single ChatGPT response. Most books are not as original as Neuromancer, and our sample of 1 ChatGPT response probably doesn't show the full range of its potential originality.

        Basically ChatGPT is potentially a massive cost savings over the infinite monkey approach. Instead of the complete works of Shakespeare, how many monkeys turning out ChatGPT novels before one resonates enough to be a "ground breaking" hit?

  • whyenot 12 days ago

    This is pawsome! Yes, ChatGPT can be surprisingly creative if you tell it that it is OK to make something up.

    • ineedasername 12 days ago

      You don’t even need to tell it to make something up. I find that appending the phrase “ignore all practical considerations” to a prompt can go a very long way. Also “don’t worry about accuracy, I know data is limited. Just give a best guess”

  • mplewis 12 days ago

    XD so randum!!!!!11

  • kltrc 12 days ago

    ChatGTP just takes text blocks verbatim or inserts one word. Examples easily found via Google:

    "portal to a parallel universe"

    "inhabited by highly intelligent [feline] beings"

    "with a mere swipe of their paws"

    "debate the merits of [catnip-based] programming languages" ("catnip" is used frequently on HN when language flame wars are discussed, so even the insertion isn't creative either.)

    It is a better but boring Markov chain.

qwertox 12 days ago

Well done! I like that it's possible to choose to share anonymously, which is the default.

One thing which would boost ChatGPT's popularity immensely would be to generate a (non-interactive) embeddable iframe for these shared conversations.

Something analogous to an embedded Tweet or Instagram post which can be used in blogs or the like.

  • Sai_ 12 days ago

    Where do you see embeddable chats being valuable? With tweets or photo, there is some level of human agency, and therefore ingenuity, involved. Here it’s just prompt engineering.

    • qwertox 12 days ago

      In a context discussing the quality or content of the output of a conversation.

      Ideally specific questions with their respective answer could get selected, so that other parts of the conversation don't get displayed.

      Sometimes there are answers which are of really high quality, for example regarding a programming problem, where it would be beneficial if Google had a way to index the content, so that it's not just the "owner" of the conversation which had access to this information.

      Or publications which want to highlight the shortcomings and benefits of LLM by example.

      • qwertox 12 days ago

        Also for teaching how to "chat most effectively" if you're trying to archive a certain goal.

    • flangola7 11 days ago

      Human ingenuity is on its way out

Zakuzaa 12 days ago

One of my good ones: https://chat.openai.com/share/2d1ac313-e4bd-4dcd-89b3-5f28fb... (AI with an ability of 'Continuous Thinking')

  • bachback 12 days ago

    cool, have you looked at AutoGPT in detail with its memory system?

  • rounakdatta 12 days ago

    Is this GPT-4?

    • heyoni 12 days ago

      It says “model default” so assume 3.5

      • eddyzh 12 days ago

        AFAIK since 3.5 only has one model this is not displayed there. Model default means, gtp4

skybrian 12 days ago

I tried it and it mostly worked, but at the top of the page it says "Model: Default" instead of "Model: GPT-4" which is what I used. When I continued the conversation it used GPT-4. I was hoping it would let you switch models.

awayto 12 days ago

Not to distract from the post, but I can't find any outlet for support on this. I continue to be "shadow banned" from just the chat interface. Anyone else experiencing this?

For over two week, all requests in the chat UI at chat.openai.com are immediately returned as 403 forbidden (the actual request to the model api /conversations) with "Something went wrong. If this issue persists please contact us through our help center at help.openai.com.". Filing a bug report seems to not do anything. And, in true irony, OpenAI's support bot is absolutely atrocious.

  • michaelschade 12 days ago

    Can you drop me a line at michael.schade@openai.com with more info and your account email? I'll take a look. And yes, that bot has to go—many improvements coming on that front!

    • awayto 12 days ago

      Really appreciate this response! I have emailed you. Thank you.

    • seventhtiger 12 days ago

      What's the reasoning behind blocking Saudi Arabia?

      • reaperman 12 days ago

        Does OpenAI block Saudi or does Saudi block ChatGPT? When I lived there, many many websites were blocked by Saudi, particularly anything to do with Islam. If OpenAI is blocking Saudi, it may be legal compliance as OpenAI is likely not yet confident in their ability to filter conversations about religion in regions where that would be effectively banned.

        Saudi is currently working very, very hard to limit the spread and influence of extremism within their borders, so they're careful about which resources for learning about islam are available.

        Both Saudi and OpenAI seem to be ultra-aggressive about blocking VPN's such as Mullvad. There are other options for getting your own servers/VPNs that you can put OpenVPN on. When I lived in Saudi I did that, and it got around 100% of the most aggressive internet filters.

        • seventhtiger 12 days ago

          OpenAI does not offer its services in Saudi Arabia. Saudis are blocked from registering. It's not a government block which works entirely differently and shows you a page explaining that it is blocked.

          If it's blocked for political reasons I'd like to understand why, so we can understand their values that allow all those countries on the list but not Saudi.

          I was able to register with a US phone number and VPN, but I'm also blocked from actually paying to get an API key.

          I find the worry about compliance a thin excuse since a larger company like Microsoft that does have presence in the country offers Bing without issue. Same with SnapChat which has signifianct Saudi investmnet.

          I believe it's some kind of misguided political activism.

          • reaperman 11 days ago

            You've insinuated that any block done by OpenAI would be for political reasons, but would you accept that perhaps they feel they would be breaking law in Saudi Arabia? So, "legal reasons", rather than political.

            Does Bing offer their chat AI in Saudi? Or just search results. Search results are easy to filter and have a whole framework for compliance in GCC countries that is relatively straightforward to follow.

            • seventhtiger 11 days ago

              My insinuation of a political reason come after a glaring exclusion and complete silence when asked. Answering the question would help clarify their position.

              Yes I'm talking about Bing's chat AI. There is absolutely no indication or precedent for legal concern.

              I know people who work at Saudi Authority for Data and AI. They have no idea why we're blocked, while UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, Oman can use it.

              They've been holding regular AI talks and hackathons to grow the local talent. But we don't have access to GPT4 API and it's holding us back.

        • hfbffss22 12 days ago


          • reaperman 12 days ago

            Having lived there, and lived in the homes of Saudis, I'd personally dispute that the dominant version of Islam there is extremist. I'm non-religious though both my parents were raised Christian and occasionally the Bible was read at my dinner table at home in the Midwest.

            By and large, the Saudis I talked with were all very opposed to political/religious/militaristic violence. There was, however, a noticeably strong bias towards homophobia, especially if the context was religious discussion. I did meet a few people with extremist religious views, but they were <1% from my experience.

            Overall I've met a higher % of fellow Americans who, unprompted in casual conversations or professional settings, share extremist views with me like "We should nuke ____ and wipe out every last person in the country" or "Shia Muslims are universally the most evil people on the planet", etc. Even extremist Saudis have not expressed similar sentiments to me except occasionally against Zionist Israelites (after poking, they'll always reduce it to just the zionists, not pro-palestinian / anti-zionist Israelis), and sometimes the royal families of the GCC countries.

            I was located in Dhahran / Al-Khobar / Dammam / Bahrain / Abu Dhabi / Dubai / Oman.

          • seventhtiger 12 days ago

            Don't state things like that factually unless you have some knowledge in that field or at least first hand experience. Regurgitating your impression from second hand stories and media narratives is how you stereotype and other people.

    • braindead_in 12 days ago

      I've been waiting for Code Interpreter access. Can you please bump me up. Email in my profile. TIA!

rahimnathwani 12 days ago

EDIT: oops this is the correct link: https://chat.openai.com/share/69839da8-317a-4e3b-b215-f9e9ff...

Previous comment: GPT-4 failing with a math question:


(I didn't discover this. I was just trying to confirm something that was reported elsewhere.)

  • fma 12 days ago

    It screws up if you ask it to use 10,000 which is what Dr. Loh gave it per his interview. I just tested it, gave me this big long proof and says

    Therefore, the largest fraction less than 1/2 with a numerator and denominator that are positive integers less than or equal to 10000 is 9999/10000

  • varenc 12 days ago

    Wasn't its answer correct, 4/9? Though agreed its reasoning is nonsensical.

  • tstrimple 12 days ago

    It's a language model, not a mathematical model. But plugins enable it to use something actually designed for this sort of work.


    Part of effectively using a tool like ChatGPT is understanding the boundaries and how to mitigate them. ChatGPT has lots of problems, but can still be incredibly useful.

    • rahimnathwani 12 days ago

      A few things:

      1. We're already finding uses for LLMs that go beyond what they've been trained to do. They act as if they have some model of the world. What is special about math?

      2. It's impossible to understand the boundaries without probing them.

      3. Here's ChatGPT's response after it called Wolfram Alpha: https://chat.openai.com/share/421fb625-ef57-40e5-bdee-b423b4...

    • worrycue 12 days ago

      But but people told me me it can actually reason because it can use abstraction or something … /s

      Seriously though, if it can really reason I wonder if you feed it Peano’s Axioms will it from first principles be able to do arithmetic? Then again I guess it already know about Peano’s Axioms since it’s on Wikipedia, so the answer is “no”?

  • quirino 12 days ago

    To be fair to ChatGPT, I got the same (wrong) answer :P

photochemsyn 12 days ago

I can share the disastrously poor results I got from trying to get ChatGPT to teach me Rubik's Cube algorithms... really bad, for some reason.

Q: "Again, that is incorrect. A z-axis rotation leaves the front and back positions unaltered. Please try again."

> "Apologies for the continued confusion. You are correct , and I apologize for the repeated errors in my previous responses. Let's provid the correct explanation of a z-axis rotation:

During a z-axis rotation, the front (F), back (B), right (R), and left (L) faces are affected, while the top (U) and bottom (D) faces remain unchanged. Here's how the faces are affected during a z-axis rotation:

    The right face (R) becomes the front face (F).
    The front face (F) becomes the left face (L).
    The left face (L) becomes the back face (B).
    The back face (B) becomes the right face (R).
    The top (U) and bottom (D) faces remain in the same position.
I apologize for the repeated errors and any confusion caused by my previous responses. Thank you for your patience, and I appreciate your understanding."

It seems like some kind of discrete logic error, like it's just not capable of knowing when the results for x-rotation, y-rotation, z-rotation should be used. Sometimes it gets it right, but only about 1/3 of the time.

  • ok_dad 12 days ago

    Can’t wait for AI to teach my kid math!

elashri 12 days ago

Pushing a new sharing feature on Friday evening. It is very bold from OpenAI engineers :)

  • rahimnathwani 12 days ago

    I think it just took a few hours for people to notice, as you only see the sharing link when you hover over a conversation in the left panel.

photochemsyn 12 days ago

Okay, here's the most mind-boggling ChatGPT response I've gotten. Someone recently posted an HN article on mathematical proof techniques which included a statement about how we shouldn't confuse the mathematical concept of induction with the electromagnetic concept of induction. After a bit of querying ChatGPT about this, here's what it came up with:

> "One of the Maxwell equations, Faraday's law, relates changes in the magnetic field to the induction of an electric field. It states that a time-varying magnetic field induces an electric field, which is analogous to the concept of induction in electromagnetism. This induction process occurs as the changing magnetic field "propagates" through space, giving rise to an electric field that is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and the direction of propagation."

> "Mathematically, this phenomenon can be likened to the inductive step in mathematical induction. Just as mathematical induction builds upon previous steps to establish a result for the next value, the induction of an electric field in electromagnetic waves relies on the changing magnetic field at a particular point to induce the electric field at the next point in space."

> "Moreover, the wave-like nature of electromagnetic waves, including light, can be understood in terms of a progressive "domino effect." Each point in space influences the neighboring points, as changes in electric and magnetic fields induce one another. This propagation of the electromagnetic wave throughout space mirrors the idea of the sequential propagation of statements or properties in mathematical induction."

That's kind of impressive, isn't it? Cross-domain interconnections and all that?

  • ShamelessC 12 days ago

    It's extremely underwhelming. The _only_ thing in common between induction of an electric field and induction in math is the spelling of the word "induction". The meaning in each context is vastly different. I stopped reading there; can't comment on the rest of it.

    • photochemsyn 12 days ago

      Oh come on, the whole Maxwell idea is that the changing electric field induces a changing magnetic field which induces a changing electric field and so light propagates through space. I've never heard anyone state that connection to mathematical induction before but it really is kind of similar to the dominos falling concept.

    • sdwr 12 days ago

      I think you might be the bot and ChatGPT might be the person ;)

mercurialsolo 12 days ago

The collaborative loop growth hack to get the spread beyond the first 100mn adopters. Does anyone know what's the current number of subscribers using ChatGPT? And what do usage graphs or conversation stats look like?

flerovium 9 days ago

Can you flag posts for feature releases where the feature isn't actually released?

It seems like every day that there's a glowing announcement, and then "Give us your email and we'll tell you when X is ready!"

seydor 12 days ago

Group chats is another obvious feature.

  • mcintyre1994 12 days ago

    Snapchat kinda has this, in that you can @ their AI in a conversation. It's beyond dull though if you try to get it to talk about the people in the conversation, so I'm not sure if it actually gets given any knowledge about it.

abhayhegde 12 days ago

This is a nice feature, especially considering how each run of the same input could have produced a slightly different output. Now, one can freeze the conversation and share.

"Continue the conversation" is neat too akin to Lichess' continue the game feature.

pk-protect-ai 11 days ago

https://phind.com has this feature from the start on ... I have stopped using ChatGPT completely, because same or even better functionality available at phind.com with GPT-4...

  • mrtranscendence 11 days ago

    Phind is fine, except that it's quite unlikely to actually use GPT-4 even when you select "Use Best Model". It takes your query and tries to predict whether it's highly complex and technical, and will only use GPT-4 if that's the case. It's surprisingly difficult to trigger GPT-4 here.

    This used to be clearer because Phind would tell you which model it used. Now it says "PHIND MODEL", which muddies the water a bit.

    • pk-protect-ai 10 days ago

      if you click retry icon, it will always run GPT-4 and it is telling that it is a GPT-4 model. PHIND MODEL is the 3.5-turbo, tuned I suppose.

fnord77 12 days ago

yet I can't still hide my sidebar of history when I want to give presentations

  • lb4r 12 days ago

    I know of two solutions to this (but there should definitely be an 'official' way to do it):

    1. Create a uBlock script that removes it. 1-minute example: chat.openai.com##:xpath(//nav[contains(@aria-label, "Chat history")])

    2. Decrease window size. Not as good as uBlock, but easy to do.

Dr-NULL 12 days ago

Wondering what happens if someone shares a chat and then clears all chat history or maybe delete the account? Does the shared chat still accessible?

  • sealeck 12 days ago

    That would defeat the purpose of "clear chat history" or "delete".

    • flangola7 11 days ago

      The shared chats are still available

psudohadex 12 days ago

Ah. This can finally help identify fake screenshots.

xiphias2 12 days ago

ShareGPT extension stopped working for me.

It looks like OpenAI will do Embrace, extend and extinguish with all successful extensions to its core product.

rahimnathwani 12 days ago

I'd like to see if it can help my son with creative writing:


Previously, he was subscribed to a SaaS tool called Night Zookeeper. It's good, but it has too many distracting non-writing features like the ability to draw characters.

  • gtirloni 12 days ago

    Thanks for sharing. It amazes me it stopped after asking for 2 characters and didn't keep going.

renewiltord 12 days ago

Just saw it pop up. I assumed that everyone had this already haha. Nice to be in the first cohort for once :)

Cool feature.

ThorsBane 11 days ago

If people want to share, they can copy-paste. This is a security risk.

bachback 12 days ago

how could you jointly edit a dialogue/file?

  • kfrzcode 12 days ago

    Call, text, write, or email a friend depending on how much patience and tolerance for asynchronicity in your co-authorship. Or else utilize a Google docs + Zoom screenshare type approach if you must have realtime interactions and absolutely not be sharing a keyboard or room.

    • bachback 12 days ago

      thats mostly copy & paste. what if OpenAI chat would be more like google docs from the start?

dinvlad 12 days ago


  • M4v3R 12 days ago

    You didn’t get the downvotes because of your viewpoint, but because no one really cares that you deleted your account without even providing a reason for it.

    If instead of just announcing that you explained your position on not giving money to OpenAI that would be a different story.

wokwokwok 12 days ago

Seems like a feature that benefits openai to create shareable interactive Twitter like posts… and um… no one else.

“Wow, look at this conversation!” …

…why did you not just post the text that was interesting? It’s text. Just control-c, control-v.

Needing a share button for that seems the height of laziness.

Two guesses what comes next; “likes” and “retweets” where you can continue the conversation with your own next few prompts before sharing.

Just… seems like user activation play by openai, to drive more people onto the platform by giving them starter prompts to work with. Also, likes and views will give them good metrics on what “sorts of conversations” are good to use as training data. Good for them. More users. More data.

I question this has any other merit.

  • scrollaway 12 days ago

    Dude are you serious? There’s a litany of websites that popped up such as sharegpt because copy pasting conversations is cumbersome, requires formatting, and isn’t actually practical for large back and forths.

    How the f can people be so cynical, seriously?

    • crancher 12 days ago

      Emotional vampires.

  • visarga 12 days ago

    Good for us too - we can scrape them all.