points by cassianoleal 16 hours ago

> the worst they can do is kick them out of the EU

As opposed to what? Armed invasion?

trumpdong 15 hours ago

Yes. The EU has no army, no legal sovereignty within each country, etc. It's an alliance of countries NOT a single federal government. The individual countries remain in charge of themselves and the alliance is supposed to be structured in a way that only paases things the countries actually want.

  • cassianoleal 14 hours ago

    So you think it would be better if the EU started a war with a member state that failed to uphold the union's laws?

    • lukan 12 hours ago

      Why would he or she think that? Your questions are close to strawman arguments in my perception.

      • cassianoleal 5 hours ago

        Let's follow the timeline, shall we? It shouldn't be difficult as it's a pretty linear tree in the comments.

        1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423657

        I mentioned that Europe is a lot more than the EU, and even within the EU member countries diverge.

        2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48423908

        trumpdong then makes a comment that I interpret as saying the EU doesn't have a lot of power over member states, and saying that the worst which could happen to one of them is to be kicked out of the EU.

        3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48424244

        Slightly shocked by the idea that the EU should be doing something worse than expelling a member for not following the Union's rules, I use a _reductio ad absurdum_ and ask if they thought the EU should be harder and actually perform an armed invasion of a member state that didn't follow them.

        4. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425100

        To my shock, trumpdong literally says "yes".

        5. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48425487

        I, due to the shock described above, decide to question again in more words if that's actually what they mean.

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        Hopefully that responds your question. I see no straw man, but if you still do, please present it.